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* Hide-until (release time) for todos?
@ 2009-01-06  1:00 Robert Goldman
  2009-01-06  1:45 ` Matthew Lundin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Robert Goldman @ 2009-01-06  1:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Has anyone implemented a property that's the opposite of deadline for
Org TODOs?

What I'd like is a property I could put on a TODO that would hide it
from agenda display (probably with some preference that would permit
unfiltered display) until a specified date.

This would keep me from being overwhelmed by tasks that I have deferred.

Another possibility, I suppose, would be to have a special DEFERRED TODO
keyword, and just hide all the deferred tasks.  But then I would like
some processing that would automagically un-defer them later.

On the one hand, having TODO items change their status without human
intervention doesn't seem to be in the spirit of Org.  On the other
hand, it seems a bit odd to have a task that is TODO, but hidden --- it
seems like the TODO keyword should parallel the state.

As the tone of this email may suggest, I'm thinking about trying to
implement such a facility, so my questions really are:

1.  Does this exist already?  ISTR someone asking for this earlier, but
I didn't see a positive response to that earlier request.

2.  If the answer is "no," I'd welcome any suggestions for how to
implement this.  For setting, looks like cloning org-deadline and
tweaking org-add-planning-info would be relatively straightforward; then
I'd need to look into modifying the agenda commands.

Best,
r

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* Re: Hide-until (release time) for todos?
  2009-01-06  1:00 Hide-until (release time) for todos? Robert Goldman
@ 2009-01-06  1:45 ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-06  1:52   ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-06  3:37   ` Bernt Hansen
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Lundin @ 2009-01-06  1:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Goldman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


Hi Robert,

Robert Goldman <rpgoldman@sift.info> writes:

> Has anyone implemented a property that's the opposite of deadline for
> Org TODOs?
>
> What I'd like is a property I could put on a TODO that would hide it
> from agenda display (probably with some preference that would permit
> unfiltered display) until a specified date.
>

I've wondered the same thing a couple times. But I usually end up
asking myself: How would this be different from scheduling something
in the future? I've found that the easiest solution to this problem is
to schedule something in the future (e.g., C-c C-s +2w) and to get rid
of the TODO keyword (C-c t <SPC>, or t <SPC> in the agenda). That way,
the item will appear in my agenda on the date scheduled (and on every
day thereafter), but won't show up in your global TODO list. (I
suppose this use of the agenda is like a GTD style "tickler file.")

> This would keep me from being overwhelmed by tasks that I have
> deferred.
>
> Another possibility, I suppose, would be to have a special DEFERRED TODO
> keyword, and just hide all the deferred tasks.  But then I would like
> some processing that would automagically un-defer them later.

Sorry I can't help out on the elisp side of things. As a
non-programmer, my preferred solution to this problem for unscheduled
todos is exactly what you say---to create an inactive todo called
"LATER." When I want to defer something, I simply switch it from TODO
to LATER and then make sure that I review the LATER list once a week
(a convienient agenda reminder helps here). In the end, I figure that
I'm going to have to make a decision about whether I want or need to
do something even if it is automatically activated.

Just my two cents. I imagine there may well be other aspects to this
problem I'm not considering, so please don't let my ramblings dissuade
you from going forward. :)

Best,
Matt

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* Re: Hide-until (release time) for todos?
  2009-01-06  1:45 ` Matthew Lundin
@ 2009-01-06  1:52   ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-06  3:37   ` Bernt Hansen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Lundin @ 2009-01-06  1:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Lundin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Robert Goldman


Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
>
>  I've found that the easiest solution to this problem is to schedule
> something in the future (e.g., C-c C-s +2w) and to get rid of the
> TODO keyword (C-c t <SPC>, or t <SPC> in the agenda).

This should read C-c C-t <SPC> for the TODO keyword command.

- Matt

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* Re: Hide-until (release time) for todos?
  2009-01-06  1:45 ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-06  1:52   ` Matthew Lundin
@ 2009-01-06  3:37   ` Bernt Hansen
  2009-01-06  3:57     ` Matthew Lundin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Bernt Hansen @ 2009-01-06  3:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Lundin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Robert Goldman

Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:

> Robert Goldman <rpgoldman@sift.info> writes:
>
>> Has anyone implemented a property that's the opposite of deadline for
>> Org TODOs?
>>
>> What I'd like is a property I could put on a TODO that would hide it
>> from agenda display (probably with some preference that would permit
>> unfiltered display) until a specified date.
>>
>
> I've wondered the same thing a couple times. But I usually end up
> asking myself: How would this be different from scheduling something
> in the future? I've found that the easiest solution to this problem is
> to schedule something in the future (e.g., C-c C-s +2w) and to get rid
> of the TODO keyword (C-c t <SPC>, or t <SPC> in the agenda). That way,
> the item will appear in my agenda on the date scheduled (and on every
> day thereafter), but won't show up in your global TODO list. (I
> suppose this use of the agenda is like a GTD style "tickler file.")
>
>> This would keep me from being overwhelmed by tasks that I have
>> deferred.

I push tasks into the future with scheduled / deadline dates and prevent
them from showing up in the agenda too early with something like

    DEADLINE: <2009-02-04 Wed -3d>

I also have the following settings 

 (setq org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date t)

that keeps any task with a scheduled/deadline date out of the global
todo lists - they're on the agenda and I don't need to see them in
multiple places.

I also have a DEFERRED todo keyword for things that just aren't going to
get done anytime soon (if ever).  I review the DEFERRED tasks weekly.
C-5 C-c a t
lists all of my deferred tasks (since for me DEFERRED is the 5th todo
keyword)

-Bernt

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* Re: Hide-until (release time) for todos?
  2009-01-06  3:37   ` Bernt Hansen
@ 2009-01-06  3:57     ` Matthew Lundin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Lundin @ 2009-01-06  3:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bernt Hansen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Robert Goldman

Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:

> I push tasks into the future with scheduled / deadline dates and prevent
> them from showing up in the agenda too early with something like
>
>     DEADLINE: <2009-02-04 Wed -3d>
>

Ooh... that's nice. Individualized lead times for deadline warnings. I
didn't read that section of the manual carefully enough.

http://orgmode.org/manual/Repeated-tasks.html#Repeated-tasks
 
Thanks,
Matt

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