* how to put into a journal info about the email sent @ 2014-10-24 14:36 David Belohrad 2014-10-24 15:43 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: David Belohrad @ 2014-10-24 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org, mailing-list-org-mode Dear All, i'm using org. And I'm using notmuch (that's why I address both mailing lists). Now, writing an email in everyday bussiness requires a non-significant time of your workhours. So I'd like to have this event in my org agenda. So any time I send some email with a given subject, I'd like to 'automatically' entry the information about it into e.g. sentmails.org in form of a diary entry, with appropriate tag. In example: I'm sending a mail to Tom, with subject 'dealing vme register mapping'. At the moment I send this email (using smtpmail), I'd like an entry in the sentmails.org as follows: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** 2014-10 October *** 2014-10-02 Thursday **** dealing vme register mapping :mail: [[notmuch:id:7a97bb93e66a41878edd4c04fa764963-uuKonhrYUq+qwiivBfVWcw@public.gmane.org][dealing vme register mapping]] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought that I can use following (add-hook 'message-send-hook '<mysuperfunction>) to hook on sending and generate a capture entry. In fact this works pretty well _EXCEPT_ the link to the mail sent. The org-store-link cannot apparently store a link to an email, which so far was not sent (and not received?) because it claims that 'org-gnus-store-link: Can not create link: No Gcc header found' Hence this is pretty fatal for my diary entry. My question is: is there any way how to link not-yet-sent/received email as an org-link? Or is there any way to generate Gcc header before the email is sent and use this header during sending? Or is there any other way how to put into my agenda sent emails? many thanks david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: how to put into a journal info about the email sent 2014-10-24 14:36 how to put into a journal info about the email sent David Belohrad @ 2014-10-24 15:43 ` Eric Abrahamsen [not found] ` <87ppdhh3rh.fsf-5ibeKGLO59aIK5dEoMBc7KxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2014-10-24 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode David Belohrad <david@belohrad.ch> writes: > Dear All, > > i'm using org. And I'm using notmuch (that's why I address both mailing > lists). Now, writing an email in everyday bussiness requires a > non-significant time of your workhours. So I'd like to have this event > in my org agenda. So any time I send some email with a given subject, > I'd like to 'automatically' entry the information about it into > e.g. sentmails.org in form of a diary entry, with appropriate tag. I do something like this in Gnorb, which I'd recommend you use except it's mostly Gnus specific. I do it in two parts, but you could do it in one. Basically I add a function to the `message-header-hook' (which ensures that all the message headers have been generated properly). The important bits look like: (save-restriction (message-narrow-to-headers) (let ((link (and (mail-fetch-field "Gcc") (org-store-link nil))) (org-capture-link-is-already-stored t) ;; Collect date, subject, to, and msg-id with ;; `mail-fetch-field'. Construct date-ts and date-ts-ia with ;; (format-time-string ;; (org-time-stamp-format t [t]) ;; (date-to-time date)) ) (if link (org-add-link-props :date date :date-timestamp date-ts :date-timestamp-inactive date-ts-ia :annotation link) (org-store-link-props :subject subject :to to :date date :date-timestamp date-ts :date-timestamp-inactive date-ts-ia :message-id msg-id :annotation link)) (org-capture nil gnorb-gnus-new-todo-capture-key))) So, if a "Gcc:" header is present, make the link using `org-store-link', then add more fields using `org-add-link-props'. If it's not, then fake it by storing all necessary fields using `org-store-link-props'. Because we let `org-capture-link-is-already-stored' to t, the capture process doesn't try to create a new link, but just uses the values we've stored. Obviously the downside is that, without a "Gcc:" header, org can't actually make a real link to the message. It doesn't know where it's going to be. However if you know that all your sent messages can be reached with a link that looks like "notmuch:id#Message-id", then you can make that yourself in your org capture template with something like "[[notmuch:id#%:message-id][%:subject]]" I hope that's not too confusing! See: https://github.com/girzel/gnorb/blob/master/gnorb-gnus.el#L259 https://github.com/girzel/gnorb/blob/master/gnorb-gnus.el#L437 Yours, Eric > In example: > > I'm sending a mail to Tom, with subject 'dealing vme register > mapping'. > > At the moment I send this email (using smtpmail), I'd like an entry in > the sentmails.org as follows: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** 2014-10 October > *** 2014-10-02 Thursday > **** dealing vme register mapping :mail: > [[notmuch:id:7a97bb93e66a41878edd4c04fa764963@cernfe03.cern.ch][dealing > vme register mapping]] > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I thought that I can use following > > (add-hook 'message-send-hook '<mysuperfunction>) > > to hook on sending and generate a capture entry. In fact this works > pretty well _EXCEPT_ the link to the mail sent. The org-store-link > cannot apparently store a link to an email, which so far was not sent > (and not received?) because it claims that > > 'org-gnus-store-link: Can not create link: No Gcc header found' > > Hence this is pretty fatal for my diary entry. My question is: is there > any way how to link not-yet-sent/received email as an org-link? Or is > there any way to generate Gcc header before the email is sent and use > this header during sending? Or is > there any other way how to put into my agenda sent emails? > > many thanks > > david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to put into a journal info about the email sent [not found] ` <87ppdhh3rh.fsf-5ibeKGLO59aIK5dEoMBc7KxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> @ 2014-10-24 15:46 ` David Edmondson 2014-10-24 17:02 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: David Edmondson @ 2014-10-24 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen, emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ; +Cc: notmuch-gxuj+Tv9EO5zyzON3hdc1g On Fri, Oct 24 2014, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > David Belohrad <david-rZamiVn3bvgfv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > >> Dear All, >> >> i'm using org. And I'm using notmuch (that's why I address both mailing >> lists). Now, writing an email in everyday bussiness requires a >> non-significant time of your workhours. So I'd like to have this event >> in my org agenda. So any time I send some email with a given subject, >> I'd like to 'automatically' entry the information about it into >> e.g. sentmails.org in form of a diary entry, with appropriate tag. > > I do something like this in Gnorb, which I'd recommend you use except > it's mostly Gnus specific. > > I do it in two parts, but you could do it in one. Basically I add a > function to the `message-header-hook' (which ensures that all the > message headers have been generated properly). Does `message-generate-headers-first' not do what you want for this specific part? > Obviously the downside is that, without a "Gcc:" header, org can't > actually make a real link to the message. It doesn't know where it's > going to be. However if you know that all your sent messages can be > reached with a link that looks like "notmuch:id#Message-id", then you > can make that yourself in your org capture template with something like As you suggest, know the message-id should be good enough to generate a notmuch link, though you may have to wait for the notmuch index to be updated for the link to be valid. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: how to put into a journal info about the email sent 2014-10-24 15:46 ` David Edmondson @ 2014-10-24 17:02 ` Eric Abrahamsen [not found] ` <87a94lh04t.fsf-5ibeKGLO59aIK5dEoMBc7KxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2014-10-24 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: notmuch-gxuj+Tv9EO5zyzON3hdc1g; +Cc: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ David Edmondson <dme-zDQXUQW/Few@public.gmane.org> writes: > On Fri, Oct 24 2014, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> David Belohrad <david-rZamiVn3bvgfv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org> writes: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> i'm using org. And I'm using notmuch (that's why I address both mailing >>> lists). Now, writing an email in everyday bussiness requires a >>> non-significant time of your workhours. So I'd like to have this event >>> in my org agenda. So any time I send some email with a given subject, >>> I'd like to 'automatically' entry the information about it into >>> e.g. sentmails.org in form of a diary entry, with appropriate tag. >> >> I do something like this in Gnorb, which I'd recommend you use except >> it's mostly Gnus specific. >> >> I do it in two parts, but you could do it in one. Basically I add a >> function to the `message-header-hook' (which ensures that all the >> message headers have been generated properly). > > Does `message-generate-headers-first' not do what you want for this > specific part? Yeah, I think I looked at that previously. But this thing is going in a hook anyway, might as well use the hook that *doesn't* require me to call that function explicitly. >> Obviously the downside is that, without a "Gcc:" header, org can't >> actually make a real link to the message. It doesn't know where it's >> going to be. However if you know that all your sent messages can be >> reached with a link that looks like "notmuch:id#Message-id", then you >> can make that yourself in your org capture template with something like > > As you suggest, know the message-id should be good enough to generate a > notmuch link, though you may have to wait for the notmuch index to be > updated for the link to be valid. Yup, I've got the same issue with nnimap -- you have to wait for the next sync to get access to the message. So far it hasn't been a problem, though. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to put into a journal info about the email sent [not found] ` <87a94lh04t.fsf-5ibeKGLO59aIK5dEoMBc7KxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> @ 2014-10-29 13:09 ` David Belohrad [not found] ` <uaxd29bt43r.fsf-l29r6ovuLp4041QeWSbL1u1GAupnlqi7@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: David Belohrad @ 2014-10-29 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen, notmuch-gxuj+Tv9EO5zyzON3hdc1g; +Cc: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ dear all, thanks for fruitful hints. Based on what you've done I have setup it as follows: 1) the capture template, which uses clipboard buffer to setup the data. So my org-capture-templates contains this entry: ("@" "Email outgoing sync. USED INTERNALLY" entry (file+datetree (concat my-org-files "emails_sent.org")) "* EMAIL %c :EMAIL:\n%?\nEntered on %T\n") 2) function which generates the notmuch link based on the message id: (defun org-notmuch-track-outgoing-emails() (save-restriction (message-narrow-to-headers) (let ((link (mail-fetch-field "Message-ID")) (subject (mail-fetch-field "Subject")) (to (mail-fetch-field "To")) (date (mail-fetch-field "Date")) (msg-id (mail-fetch-field "Message-ID")) ;; `mail-fetch-field'. Construct date-ts and date-ts-ia with ;;(date-ts (format-time-string (org-time-stamp-format t [t]) (date-to-time (mail-fetch-field "Date")))) ) (if link ;; messageid exists, we can link it (kill-new (concat "[[notmuch:id:" msg-id "][" subject "]]"))) ;; use special template to fill in (org-capture nil "@") ) ) ) 3) hook to run the function when headers are created: (add-hook 'message-header-hook 'org-notmuch-track-outgoing-emails) The three what they do is that whenever I send an email, a new diary style entry is setup in the editting buffer, where the timestamp, email link and an EMAIL tag are already pre-filled. So unless I want to add another tags, sending email is by default a -two times- C-c C-c combo. Bettern than nothing, but still far from being perfect due to two things: - 'standard' behaviour is, that the email sent becomes read-only so with 'q' keystroke I can bury the buffer with the email. However when I have implemented this, I have noticed that when I 'confirm' the template, I go back into the buffer 'sent mail to...', but this the *THE BUFFER IS NOT READ ONLY* and 'q' will just generate a character, and then I have to kill this buffer using C-x k with additional 'yes' because the buffer was modified. Quite annoying and I don't know how to resolve this - second thing is, that I'd like to avoid at all opening the capture template and just dump it into the file without any modifications ongoing. The only 'modification' which comes into my mind is a setup of an additional tag describing the email being attached to some project... Any help on those two is highly appreciated :) .d. Eric Abrahamsen <eric-5ibeKGLO59aIK5dEoMBc7KxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> writes: > David Edmondson <dme-zDQXUQW/Few@public.gmane.org> writes: > >> On Fri, Oct 24 2014, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>> David Belohrad <david-rZamiVn3bvgfv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org> writes: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> i'm using org. And I'm using notmuch (that's why I address both mailing >>>> lists). Now, writing an email in everyday bussiness requires a >>>> non-significant time of your workhours. So I'd like to have this event >>>> in my org agenda. So any time I send some email with a given subject, >>>> I'd like to 'automatically' entry the information about it into >>>> e.g. sentmails.org in form of a diary entry, with appropriate tag. >>> >>> I do something like this in Gnorb, which I'd recommend you use except >>> it's mostly Gnus specific. >>> >>> I do it in two parts, but you could do it in one. Basically I add a >>> function to the `message-header-hook' (which ensures that all the >>> message headers have been generated properly). >> >> Does `message-generate-headers-first' not do what you want for this >> specific part? > > Yeah, I think I looked at that previously. But this thing is going in a > hook anyway, might as well use the hook that *doesn't* require me to > call that function explicitly. > >>> Obviously the downside is that, without a "Gcc:" header, org can't >>> actually make a real link to the message. It doesn't know where it's >>> going to be. However if you know that all your sent messages can be >>> reached with a link that looks like "notmuch:id#Message-id", then you >>> can make that yourself in your org capture template with something like >> >> As you suggest, know the message-id should be good enough to generate a >> notmuch link, though you may have to wait for the notmuch index to be >> updated for the link to be valid. > > Yup, I've got the same issue with nnimap -- you have to wait for the > next sync to get access to the message. So far it hasn't been a problem, > though. > > _______________________________________________ > notmuch mailing list > notmuch-gxuj+Tv9EO5zyzON3hdc1g@public.gmane.org > http://notmuchmail.org/mailman/listinfo/notmuch ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to put into a journal info about the email sent [not found] ` <uaxd29bt43r.fsf-l29r6ovuLp4041QeWSbL1u1GAupnlqi7@public.gmane.org> @ 2014-10-29 13:41 ` David Edmondson [not found] ` <cuny4rzngbr.fsf-cKoGAlAyRl4B6mVx8Gbmpr8CxMaF4oN5@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: David Edmondson @ 2014-10-29 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Belohrad, Eric Abrahamsen, notmuch-gxuj+Tv9EO5zyzON3hdc1g Cc: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ On Wed, Oct 29 2014, David Belohrad wrote: > - 'standard' behaviour is, that the email sent becomes read-only so with > 'q' keystroke I can bury the buffer with the email. However when I > have implemented this, I have noticed that when I 'confirm' the > template, I go back into the buffer 'sent mail to...', but this the > *THE BUFFER IS NOT READ ONLY* and 'q' will just generate a character, > and then I have to kill this buffer using C-x k with additional 'yes' > because the buffer was modified. Quite annoying and I don't know how > to resolve this I'm unsure about this. The change below may fix it accidentally. > - second thing is, that I'd like to avoid at all opening the capture > template and just dump it into the file without any modifications > ongoing. The only 'modification' which comes into my mind is a setup > of an additional tag describing the email being attached to some > project... Change the template to... ("@" "Email outgoing sync. USED INTERNALLY" entry (file+datetree (concat my-org-files "emails_sent.org")) "* EMAIL %c :EMAIL:\n%?\nEntered on %T\n" :immediate-finish t) (i.e. add ":immediate-finish t") ...and you will never see the capture buffer for this entry. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to put into a journal info about the email sent [not found] ` <cuny4rzngbr.fsf-cKoGAlAyRl4B6mVx8Gbmpr8CxMaF4oN5@public.gmane.org> @ 2014-10-29 13:49 ` David Belohrad 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: David Belohrad @ 2014-10-29 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Edmondson, Eric Abrahamsen, notmuch-gxuj+Tv9EO5zyzON3hdc1g Cc: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ Hi David, yes. That works perfectly and solves both issues at the same time. Now it is perfect! .d. David Edmondson <dme-zDQXUQW/Few@public.gmane.org> writes: > On Wed, Oct 29 2014, David Belohrad wrote: >> - 'standard' behaviour is, that the email sent becomes read-only so with >> 'q' keystroke I can bury the buffer with the email. However when I >> have implemented this, I have noticed that when I 'confirm' the >> template, I go back into the buffer 'sent mail to...', but this the >> *THE BUFFER IS NOT READ ONLY* and 'q' will just generate a character, >> and then I have to kill this buffer using C-x k with additional 'yes' >> because the buffer was modified. Quite annoying and I don't know how >> to resolve this > > I'm unsure about this. The change below may fix it accidentally. > >> - second thing is, that I'd like to avoid at all opening the capture >> template and just dump it into the file without any modifications >> ongoing. The only 'modification' which comes into my mind is a setup >> of an additional tag describing the email being attached to some >> project... > > Change the template to... > > ("@" "Email outgoing sync. USED INTERNALLY" entry (file+datetree (concat my-org-files "emails_sent.org")) > "* EMAIL %c :EMAIL:\n%?\nEntered on %T\n" :immediate-finish t) > (i.e. add ":immediate-finish t") > > ...and you will never see the capture buffer for this entry. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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