From: tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye)
To: chris.m.malone@gmail.com
Cc: news1142@karl-voit.at, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:18:40 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1r56butjj.fsf@tsdye.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20cf303dd274a4243904a6ef94c1@google.com> (chris m. malone's message of "Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:30:28 +0000")
Aloha Chris,
The only one I've written in Org-mode with collaborators was with some
fellow Org-mode users. We shared the .org and .bib files in a git
repository.
I agree that the number of Org-mode users out there limits one's ability
to collaborate on projects written in Org-mode.
Tom
chris.m.malone@gmail.com writes:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing list and
> worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and
> webpages -
> currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation.
>
> I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with
> collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and
> use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary
> LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would
> be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even
> though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning
> curve that they probably don't have the time or patience to learn
> currently.
>
> Chris
>
> On Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
>> Aloha Karl,
>
>
>
>> I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much
>
>> pleasure.
>
>
>
>> I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible
>
>> research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my
>
>> case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass
>
>> results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do
>
>> these things in AucTeX.
>
>
>
>> At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and
>
>> LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things
>
>> work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like
>
>> from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently
>
>> that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode.
>
>> The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an
>
>> authoring environment.
>
>
>
>> All the best,
>
>> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>> Karl Voit writes:
>
>
>
>> > * Thomas S. Dye tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Aloha Rafael,
>
>> >
>
>> > Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of
>
>> > view.
>
>> >
>
>> > First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now
>
>> > and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners.
>
>> >
>
>> >> Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find
>
>> >> Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in
>> indirect
>
>> >> buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that
>
>> >> functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files.
>
>> >
>
>> > I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that
>
>> > you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via
>
>> > LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode.
>
>> >
>
>> > On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written
>
>> > very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to
>
>> > add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting
>
>> > this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too
>
>> > and so forth.
>
>> >
>
>> > In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick
>
>> > to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune
>
>> > because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for
>
>> > LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and
>
>> > RefTeX).
>
>> >
>
>> > I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents,
>
>> > where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part
>
>> > to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document
>
>> > content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for
>
>> > writing documents that end up being great PDFs.
>
>> >
>
>> > But this is just my point of view.
>
>
>
>> --
>
>> Thomas S. Dye
>
>> http://www.tsdye.com
>
>
>
> Hi Tom,I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and webpages - currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation.I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably don't have the time or patience to learn currently.ChrisOn Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:> Aloha Karl,> > > > I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much> > pleasure.> > > > I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible> > research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my> > case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass> > results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do> > these things in AucTeX.> > > > At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and> > LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things> > work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like> > from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently> > that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode.> > The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an> > authoring environment.> > > > All the best,> > Tom> > > > > > Karl Voit writes:> > > > > * Thomas S. Dye tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:> > >> Aloha Rafael,> > >> > > Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of> > > view.> > >> > > First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now> > > and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners.> > >> > >> Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find> > >> Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect> > >> buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that> > >> functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files.> > >> > > I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that> > > you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via> > > LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode.> > >> > > On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written> > > very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to> > > add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting> > > this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too> > > and so forth.> > >> > > In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick> > > to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune> > > because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for> > > LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and> > > RefTeX).> > >> > > I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents,> > > where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part> > > to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document> > > content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for> > > writing documents that end up being great PDFs.> > >> > > But this is just my point of view.> > > > --> > Thomas S. Dye> > http://www.tsdye.com> > >
--
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-30 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-28 19:15 Exporting latex without preamble Rafael Calsaverini
2011-06-28 19:20 ` Fwd: " Rafael Calsaverini
2011-06-28 23:05 ` Bastien
2011-06-29 14:20 ` Rafael Calsaverini
2011-06-29 16:28 ` Bastien
2011-06-29 16:32 ` Rafael Calsaverini
2011-06-29 16:57 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-06-29 20:35 ` Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble) Karl Voit
2011-06-30 6:35 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-06-30 15:30 ` chris.m.malone
2011-06-30 17:18 ` Thomas S. Dye [this message]
2011-06-30 18:11 ` Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX Eric S Fraga
2011-07-01 11:10 ` Collaborating with other people (was: Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX) Karl Voit
2011-07-01 11:47 ` Rainer M Krug
2011-07-01 14:46 ` Chris Malone
2011-06-30 17:04 ` Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble) Carsten Dominik
2011-06-30 17:23 ` Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX Thomas S. Dye
2011-07-12 19:07 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-07-12 22:00 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-07-12 22:12 ` Nick Dokos
2011-07-13 7:28 ` Sebastien Vauban
2011-07-12 22:16 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-07-12 22:45 ` John Hendy
[not found] ` <CA+oe6vppaFbdzO_chuEL+WnUhEsmG4ZsnocLCaqSMVSQe6W8vg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-11-14 13:29 ` Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble) Daniel Martins
2011-11-14 16:36 ` Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX Thomas S. Dye
2011-06-30 18:03 ` Markus Heller
2011-07-01 2:58 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-06-29 17:05 ` Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble suvayu ali
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