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* Ways to make org feasible for huge files
@ 2011-10-13  0:54 Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-10-13  1:34 ` brian powell
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From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa @ 2011-10-13  0:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org Mode

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Hi list,

I love org and I think there's nothing like it out there, but I'm
considering using Evernote for reference notes, because my
reference.orgfile has grown too big (4234k + lines). This makes the
rendering of the file
way too slow, and 2 times out of 10 emacs crashes because of that.

What could I do to make it faster? I'm willing to disable fancy rendering
features if needed, but I'm loosing way too much time with the rendering
issues and crashes.

I'm using emacs 23.3.1 on Lion, org version 7.4.

Any hints appreciated.

Cheers.

- Marcelo.

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-13  0:54 Ways to make org feasible for huge files Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
@ 2011-10-13  1:34 ` brian powell
  2011-10-13  1:47   ` Thomas S. Dye
  2011-10-14  9:54   ` Jude DaShiell
  2011-10-13  2:44 ` Torsten Wagner
  2011-10-13 12:39 ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files (was: Ways to make org feasible for huge files) Karl Voit
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-10-13  1:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa; +Cc: Org Mode

* Maybe EMACS  "narrowing" could be used:
http://www.gnu.org/s/libtool/manual/emacs/Narrowing.html
...
Narrowing can make it easier to concentrate on a single subroutine or
paragraph by eliminating clutter. It can also be used to limit the
range of operation of a replace command or repeating keyboard macro.
...
C-x n n
Narrow down to between point and mark (narrow-to-region).
C-x n w
Widen to make the entire buffer accessible again (widen).
C-x n p
Narrow down to the current page (narrow-to-page).
C-x n d
Narrow down to the current defun (narrow-to-defun).

** I mean: Maybe an OrgMode user could do narrow-to-region (and then
just "render" on the new smaller region) and/or an implementation
something like "org-narrow-to-region" could be coded.

*** Just an idea--your mileage may vary--it may not work at all--I
hope you try it out and tell how it works for you.

* I ran into similar problems: I made the file into 2 separate
files--one very large and the other very small that I render a
lot--when it gets big, I just prune out older and less important now
(backburner) subjects, paste them at the bottom of the small file and
then cut and paste the less important "*" sections into the big file.
** Works great, its really the best way to do it--for backing up and
encrypting reasons and hard drive space reasons etc.
** Could call them blahfile_now.org and blahfile_later.org (for the
small and large files respectively).
*** Since OrgMode files are plain text files, this works great.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
<celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I love org and I think there's nothing like it out there, but I'm
> considering using Evernote for reference notes, because my reference.org
> file has grown too big (4234k + lines). This makes the rendering of the file
> way too slow, and 2 times out of 10 emacs crashes because of that.

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-13  1:34 ` brian powell
@ 2011-10-13  1:47   ` Thomas S. Dye
  2011-10-14  9:54   ` Jude DaShiell
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Thomas S. Dye @ 2011-10-13  1:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brian powell; +Cc: Org Mode, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa

brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> writes:

> * I ran into similar problems: I made the file into 2 separate
> files--one very large and the other very small that I render a
> lot--when it gets big, I just prune out older and less important now
> (backburner) subjects, paste them at the bottom of the small file and
> then cut and paste the less important "*" sections into the big file.
> ** Works great, its really the best way to do it--for backing up and
> encrypting reasons and hard drive space reasons etc.
> ** Could call them blahfile_now.org and blahfile_later.org (for the
> small and large files respectively).
> *** Since OrgMode files are plain text files, this works great.

This works for me, too.  I use the archive facility.  When I'm done with
a tree in the small file, I C-c C-x C-a on the headline, which saves
having to cut and paste.

Tom

-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-13  0:54 Ways to make org feasible for huge files Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-10-13  1:34 ` brian powell
@ 2011-10-13  2:44 ` Torsten Wagner
  2011-10-13  2:52   ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-10-13 12:39 ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files (was: Ways to make org feasible for huge files) Karl Voit
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Torsten Wagner @ 2011-10-13  2:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa; +Cc: Org Mode

Hi,

On 10/13/2011 09:54 AM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
f 10 emacs crashes because of that.
>
> What could I do to make it faster? I'm willing to disable fancy rendering
> features if needed, but I'm loosing way too much time with the rendering
> issues and crashes.

Just by chance, are you running linum-mode (line numbers in a small 
column at the left side of the buffer?
I noticed this does not work well with org-mode. I had a file with a few 
thousand lines and folding took ages.
Switching the linum-mode off and folding was again instantly.

Maybe this helps

Totti

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-13  2:44 ` Torsten Wagner
@ 2011-10-13  2:52   ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-10-13  7:07     ` Tassilo Horn
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa @ 2011-10-13  2:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Torsten Wagner; +Cc: Org Mode

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Wow.. this worked Torsten. Thank you. I wonder why this happens...

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Torsten Wagner <torsten.wagner@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 10/13/2011 09:54 AM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
> f 10 emacs crashes because of that.
>
>>
>> What could I do to make it faster? I'm willing to disable fancy rendering
>> features if needed, but I'm loosing way too much time with the rendering
>> issues and crashes.
>>
>
> Just by chance, are you running linum-mode (line numbers in a small column
> at the left side of the buffer?
> I noticed this does not work well with org-mode. I had a file with a few
> thousand lines and folding took ages.
> Switching the linum-mode off and folding was again instantly.
>
> Maybe this helps
>
> Totti
>
>
>

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-13  2:52   ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
@ 2011-10-13  7:07     ` Tassilo Horn
  2011-10-14  1:23       ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2011-10-13  7:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> Wow.. this worked Torsten. Thank you. I wonder why this happens...

linum-mode works with overlays to embed the numbers at the beginnig of
lines.  Overlays are very flexible but not too efficient, you don't want
to have too many of them.  Looking at linum.el, it seems it already does
pooling of overlays in order not to create one overlay for any line, but
I'm not sure.  Could you please do

  M-: (length linum-overlays) RET

in that large org file with linum-mode enabled and say what it returns
to satisfy my curiosity?

Bye,
Tassilo

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* GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files (was: Ways to make org feasible for huge files)
  2011-10-13  0:54 Ways to make org feasible for huge files Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-10-13  1:34 ` brian powell
  2011-10-13  2:44 ` Torsten Wagner
@ 2011-10-13 12:39 ` Karl Voit
  2011-10-13 14:56   ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files Martyn Jago
  2011-10-14  6:14   ` Karl Voit
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Karl Voit @ 2011-10-13 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

* Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi list,

Hi individual!

> I love org and I think there's nothing like it out there, 

Ack!

> but I'm considering using Evernote for reference notes, because my
> reference.orgfile has grown too big (4234k + lines). This makes
> the rendering of the file way too slow, and 2 times out of 10
> emacs crashes because of that.

Not exactly the topic you mentioned but as a side mark to crashes on
Mac OS X I want to add:

I am trying to implement life-logging [1] with Org-mode and GNU
Emacs. Therefore I created [2]. Even in this early stage, it ends up
with >150.000 lines in approx. 30 Org-mode files. Most of them are
in «*.org_archive» files though. (Further performance information:
[3])

On my notebook I am using GNU Linux (Ubuntu 11.04) with GNU Emacs
23.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4). At home I've got
Mac OS X 10.5 with http://emacsformacosx.com/ (sorry, no detailed
version number since I am currently sitting in my office *g*).

I never noticed *any* crash of Emacs using Org-mode on my Linux
machine. But on my OS X box, I notice crashes many times. Mostly
when navigating (vertically or horizontally) in the Agenda view.

Maybe there is an (hidden?) issue with GNU Emacs on OS X (too).

  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifelogging
  2. https://github.com/novoid/Memacs
  3. https://github.com/novoid/Memacs/blob/master/FAQs_and_Best_Practices.org
-- 
Karl Voit

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* Re: GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files
  2011-10-13 12:39 ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files (was: Ways to make org feasible for huge files) Karl Voit
@ 2011-10-13 14:56   ` Martyn Jago
  2011-10-14  6:14   ` Karl Voit
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Martyn Jago @ 2011-10-13 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi Karl

Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> writes:

> * Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi list,
>
> Hi individual!
>
>> I love org and I think there's nothing like it out there, 
>
> Ack!
>
>> but I'm considering using Evernote for reference notes, because my
>> reference.orgfile has grown too big (4234k + lines). This makes
>> the rendering of the file way too slow, and 2 times out of 10
>> emacs crashes because of that.
>
> Not exactly the topic you mentioned but as a side mark to crashes on
> Mac OS X I want to add:
>
> I am trying to implement life-logging [1] with Org-mode and GNU
> Emacs. Therefore I created [2]. Even in this early stage, it ends up
> with >150.000 lines in approx. 30 Org-mode files. Most of them are
> in «*.org_archive» files though. (Further performance information:
> [3])
>
> On my notebook I am using GNU Linux (Ubuntu 11.04) with GNU Emacs
> 23.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4). At home I've got
> Mac OS X 10.5 with http://emacsformacosx.com/ (sorry, no detailed
> version number since I am currently sitting in my office *g*).
>
> I never noticed *any* crash of Emacs using Org-mode on my Linux
> machine. But on my OS X box, I notice crashes many times. Mostly
> when navigating (vertically or horizontally) in the Agenda view.
>
> Maybe there is an (hidden?) issue with GNU Emacs on OS X (too).
>

Just for your information I use emacsformacosx port on Mac OS X 10.6.8,
currently GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 with 2GB RAM and 2.4GHz.

On larger org files (over 13000 lines) navigation slows considerably, but
I have never had Emacs crash, despite fairly heavy usage.

However, I tend to maintain fairly compact files, through archiving.

>   1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifelogging
>   2. https://github.com/novoid/Memacs
>   3. https://github.com/novoid/Memacs/blob/master/FAQs_and_Best_Practices.org

mj
---
Org-mode version 7.7 (release_7.7.359.g18e67)
GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.35)
 of 2011-08-21 on virtualmac.porkrind.org

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-13  7:07     ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2011-10-14  1:23       ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-10-14  4:51         ` Scott Jaderholm
  2011-10-14  7:00         ` Tassilo Horn
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa @ 2011-10-14  1:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tassilo Horn; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

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4328, exactly the same amount of lines I have in the file.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>wrote:

> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Wow.. this worked Torsten. Thank you. I wonder why this happens...
>
> linum-mode works with overlays to embed the numbers at the beginnig of
> lines.  Overlays are very flexible but not too efficient, you don't want
> to have too many of them.  Looking at linum.el, it seems it already does
> pooling of overlays in order not to create one overlay for any line, but
> I'm not sure.  Could you please do
>
>  M-: (length linum-overlays) RET
>
> in that large org file with linum-mode enabled and say what it returns
> to satisfy my curiosity?
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>
>
>

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-14  1:23       ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
@ 2011-10-14  4:51         ` Scott Jaderholm
  2011-10-14  7:00         ` Tassilo Horn
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Scott Jaderholm @ 2011-10-14  4:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa; +Cc: Tassilo Horn, emacs-orgmode

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For my org files my linum-overlays length is equal to the number of lines on
the screen so perhaps there's something you can do to get better
performance. I'm not sure what setting it would be, I'm running e24 with my
own complicated linum-format.

Scott


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <
celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote:

> 4328, exactly the same amount of lines I have in the file.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>wrote:
>
>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Wow.. this worked Torsten. Thank you. I wonder why this happens...
>>
>> linum-mode works with overlays to embed the numbers at the beginnig of
>> lines.  Overlays are very flexible but not too efficient, you don't want
>> to have too many of them.  Looking at linum.el, it seems it already does
>> pooling of overlays in order not to create one overlay for any line, but
>> I'm not sure.  Could you please do
>>
>>  M-: (length linum-overlays) RET
>>
>> in that large org file with linum-mode enabled and say what it returns
>> to satisfy my curiosity?
>>
>> Bye,
>> Tassilo
>>
>>
>>
>

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* Re: GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files
  2011-10-13 12:39 ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files (was: Ways to make org feasible for huge files) Karl Voit
  2011-10-13 14:56   ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files Martyn Jago
@ 2011-10-14  6:14   ` Karl Voit
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Karl Voit @ 2011-10-14  6:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

* Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> wrote:
>
> On my notebook I am using GNU Linux (Ubuntu 11.04) with GNU Emacs
> 23.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4). At home I've got
> Mac OS X 10.5 with http://emacsformacosx.com/ (sorry, no detailed
> version number since I am currently sitting in my office *g*).

Here is my GNU Emacs version:
GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.35) of
2011-03-10 on black.porkrind.org)

-- 
Karl Voit

Hallo, mein Name ist Web 2.0. Gib mir dein Adressbuch und lass mich Emails lesen

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-14  1:23       ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
  2011-10-14  4:51         ` Scott Jaderholm
@ 2011-10-14  7:00         ` Tassilo Horn
  2011-10-14  8:06           ` Scott Jaderholm
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tassilo Horn @ 2011-10-14  7:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Marcelo,

> 4328, exactly the same amount of lines I have in the file.

Didn't you say that you have 4000 *k* lines?

Anyway, as Scott mentiones, in emacs 24 the linum packages seems to be
more clever and only creates overlays for the visible area of a buffer.
For example, when opening a file with 1000 lines and enabling
linum-mode, I only have 35 overlays, because only 35 lines are visible
at a time.

Bye,
Tassilo

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>wrote:
>
>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Wow.. this worked Torsten. Thank you. I wonder why this happens...
>>
>> linum-mode works with overlays to embed the numbers at the beginnig of
>> lines.  Overlays are very flexible but not too efficient, you don't want
>> to have too many of them.  Looking at linum.el, it seems it already does
>> pooling of overlays in order not to create one overlay for any line, but
>> I'm not sure.  Could you please do
>>
>>  M-: (length linum-overlays) RET
>>
>> in that large org file with linum-mode enabled and say what it returns
>> to satisfy my curiosity?
>>
>> Bye,
>> Tassilo
>>
>>
>>

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-14  7:00         ` Tassilo Horn
@ 2011-10-14  8:06           ` Scott Jaderholm
  2011-10-14  8:52             ` Jude DaShiell
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Scott Jaderholm @ 2011-10-14  8:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tassilo Horn; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa

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Btw I get that behavior in emacs 23.1 too
Scott


On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>wrote:

> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> Hi Marcelo,
>
> > 4328, exactly the same amount of lines I have in the file.
>
> Didn't you say that you have 4000 *k* lines?
>
> Anyway, as Scott mentiones, in emacs 24 the linum packages seems to be
> more clever and only creates overlays for the visible area of a buffer.
> For example, when opening a file with 1000 lines and enabling
> linum-mode, I only have 35 overlays, because only 35 lines are visible
> at a time.
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > Wow.. this worked Torsten. Thank you. I wonder why this happens...
> >>
> >> linum-mode works with overlays to embed the numbers at the beginnig of
> >> lines.  Overlays are very flexible but not too efficient, you don't want
> >> to have too many of them.  Looking at linum.el, it seems it already does
> >> pooling of overlays in order not to create one overlay for any line, but
> >> I'm not sure.  Could you please do
> >>
> >>  M-: (length linum-overlays) RET
> >>
> >> in that large org file with linum-mode enabled and say what it returns
> >> to satisfy my curiosity?
> >>
> >> Bye,
> >> Tassilo
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-14  8:06           ` Scott Jaderholm
@ 2011-10-14  8:52             ` Jude DaShiell
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jude DaShiell @ 2011-10-14  8:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Scott Jaderholm; +Cc: Tassilo Horn, emacs-orgmode, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa

If org-mode runs into that kind of problem one way might be when a new 
.org file is made it has a chained from [main.org] statement in the top. 
 If the file remains small enough that's all it would get.  If the file 
is going to go beyond x lines in length, then a chained to [file.org] 
would end that first file and file.org would then open up if a user went 
beyond the chained to statement in the first file.  The file file.org 
would have a chained from [firstfile.org] somewhere in the top of the 
file and names for files ought to be selectable by the users.  This will 
only work where good garbage collection happens, and something like it 
was used on CP/M systems with t-maker back before I.B.M. made its first 
PC.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Scott Jaderholm wrote:

> Btw I get that behavior in emacs 23.1 too
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org>wrote:
> 
> > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Hi Marcelo,
> >
> > > 4328, exactly the same amount of lines I have in the file.
> >
> > Didn't you say that you have 4000 *k* lines?
> >
> > Anyway, as Scott mentiones, in emacs 24 the linum packages seems to be
> > more clever and only creates overlays for the visible area of a buffer.
> > For example, when opening a file with 1000 lines and enabling
> > linum-mode, I only have 35 overlays, because only 35 lines are visible
> > at a time.
> >
> > Bye,
> > Tassilo
> >
> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:
> > >>
> > >> > Wow.. this worked Torsten. Thank you. I wonder why this happens...
> > >>
> > >> linum-mode works with overlays to embed the numbers at the beginnig of
> > >> lines.  Overlays are very flexible but not too efficient, you don't want
> > >> to have too many of them.  Looking at linum.el, it seems it already does
> > >> pooling of overlays in order not to create one overlay for any line, but
> > >> I'm not sure.  Could you please do
> > >>
> > >>  M-: (length linum-overlays) RET
> > >>
> > >> in that large org file with linum-mode enabled and say what it returns
> > >> to satisfy my curiosity?
> > >>
> > >> Bye,
> > >> Tassilo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> 

Jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft
Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no
matter what the stock market did.

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* Re: Ways to make org feasible for huge files
  2011-10-13  1:34 ` brian powell
  2011-10-13  1:47   ` Thomas S. Dye
@ 2011-10-14  9:54   ` Jude DaShiell
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jude DaShiell @ 2011-10-14  9:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brian powell; +Cc: Org Mode, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa

Why not working-file and archive-file?  Archive-file would be the big 
file and working-file would be the small file in that scheme.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, brian powell wrote:

> * Maybe EMACS  "narrowing" could be used:
> http://www.gnu.org/s/libtool/manual/emacs/Narrowing.html
> ...
> Narrowing can make it easier to concentrate on a single subroutine or
> paragraph by eliminating clutter. It can also be used to limit the
> range of operation of a replace command or repeating keyboard macro.
> ...
> C-x n n
> Narrow down to between point and mark (narrow-to-region).
> C-x n w
> Widen to make the entire buffer accessible again (widen).
> C-x n p
> Narrow down to the current page (narrow-to-page).
> C-x n d
> Narrow down to the current defun (narrow-to-defun).
> 
> ** I mean: Maybe an OrgMode user could do narrow-to-region (and then
> just "render" on the new smaller region) and/or an implementation
> something like "org-narrow-to-region" could be coded.
> 
> *** Just an idea--your mileage may vary--it may not work at all--I
> hope you try it out and tell how it works for you.
> 
> * I ran into similar problems: I made the file into 2 separate
> files--one very large and the other very small that I render a
> lot--when it gets big, I just prune out older and less important now
> (backburner) subjects, paste them at the bottom of the small file and
> then cut and paste the less important "*" sections into the big file.
> ** Works great, its really the best way to do it--for backing up and
> encrypting reasons and hard drive space reasons etc.
> ** Could call them blahfile_now.org and blahfile_later.org (for the
> small and large files respectively).
> *** Since OrgMode files are plain text files, this works great.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
> <celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I love org and I think there's nothing like it out there, but I'm
> > considering using Evernote for reference notes, because my reference.org
> > file has grown too big (4234k + lines). This makes the rendering of the file
> > way too slow, and 2 times out of 10 emacs crashes because of that.
> 
> 

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2011-10-13  0:54 Ways to make org feasible for huge files Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
2011-10-13  1:34 ` brian powell
2011-10-13  1:47   ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-10-14  9:54   ` Jude DaShiell
2011-10-13  2:44 ` Torsten Wagner
2011-10-13  2:52   ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
2011-10-13  7:07     ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-14  1:23       ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
2011-10-14  4:51         ` Scott Jaderholm
2011-10-14  7:00         ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-14  8:06           ` Scott Jaderholm
2011-10-14  8:52             ` Jude DaShiell
2011-10-13 12:39 ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files (was: Ways to make org feasible for huge files) Karl Voit
2011-10-13 14:56   ` GNU Emacs crashing on large Orgmode files Martyn Jago
2011-10-14  6:14   ` Karl Voit

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