* Preferred posting style
@ 2023-10-30 15:55 yaxp
2023-10-30 16:43 ` Fraga, Eric
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0 siblings, 4 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: yaxp @ 2023-10-30 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Which posting style is preferable in this list?
Top or Bottom.
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(yaxp me) => t
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-10-30 15:55 Preferred posting style yaxp @ 2023-10-30 16:43 ` Fraga, Eric 2023-10-31 20:42 ` Bastien ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Fraga, Eric @ 2023-10-30 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: yaxp; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Monday, 30 Oct 2023 at 21:25, yaxp wrote: > Which posting style is preferable in this list? > > Top or Bottom. Bottom, definitely. (at least, from my point of view) Thank you. -- : Eric S Fraga, with org release_9.6.7-661-g34ee6f in Emacs 30.0.50 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-10-30 15:55 Preferred posting style yaxp 2023-10-30 16:43 ` Fraga, Eric @ 2023-10-31 20:42 ` Bastien 2023-11-01 3:58 ` David Masterson 2023-11-01 10:45 ` Ihor Radchenko 3 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2023-10-31 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: yaxp; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi, yaxp <yaxp@cock.li> writes: > Which posting style is preferable in this list? Interleaved and bottom posting are preferred. Top posting should definitely be avoided. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-10-30 15:55 Preferred posting style yaxp 2023-10-30 16:43 ` Fraga, Eric 2023-10-31 20:42 ` Bastien @ 2023-11-01 3:58 ` David Masterson 2023-11-01 7:09 ` tomas 2023-11-01 10:45 ` Ihor Radchenko 3 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: David Masterson @ 2023-11-01 3:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: yaxp; +Cc: emacs-orgmode yaxp <yaxp@cock.li> writes: > Hello, > > Which posting style is preferable in this list? > > Top or Bottom. A decades old argument. Top makes it easier for many mail readers to slice off all the previous thread history (which the reader has in previous messages). Bottom makes it easier to have thread context in the message, Most Emacs related mailing lists / newsgroups prefer bottom. -- David Masterson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-11-01 3:58 ` David Masterson @ 2023-11-01 7:09 ` tomas 2023-11-01 7:32 ` Loris Bennett 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: tomas @ 2023-11-01 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 685 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 08:58:32PM -0700, David Masterson wrote: > yaxp <yaxp@cock.li> writes: > > > Hello, > > > > Which posting style is preferable in this list? > > > > Top or Bottom. > > A decades old argument. Top makes it easier for many mail readers to > slice off all the previous thread history (which the reader has in > previous messages). Bottom makes it easier to have thread context in > the message, > > Most Emacs related mailing lists / newsgroups prefer bottom. Let me add that top posting, while it might kind-of-work for personal mail breaks down spectacularly in mailing lists. A mixture of both is worse,of course :-) Cheers -- t [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 195 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-11-01 7:09 ` tomas @ 2023-11-01 7:32 ` Loris Bennett 2023-11-01 7:43 ` tomas 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Loris Bennett @ 2023-11-01 7:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode <tomas@tuxteam.de> writes: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 08:58:32PM -0700, David Masterson wrote: >> yaxp <yaxp@cock.li> writes: >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > Which posting style is preferable in this list? >> > >> > Top or Bottom. >> >> A decades old argument. Top makes it easier for many mail readers to >> slice off all the previous thread history (which the reader has in >> previous messages). Bottom makes it easier to have thread context in >> the message, >> >> Most Emacs related mailing lists / newsgroups prefer bottom. > > Let me add that top posting, while it might kind-of-work for personal > mail breaks down spectacularly in mailing lists. > > A mixture of both is worse,of course :-) > > Cheers Assuming the quoting of previous postings works (above there seems to be a discrepancy between '>>' and '> >', although Gnus seems to handle that), is there some sort of 'bottom-postify' command which would reorder the quotes? I occasionally do this by hand if I find the text makes no sense to me otherwise. Cheers, Loris -- This signature is currently under constuction. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-11-01 7:32 ` Loris Bennett @ 2023-11-01 7:43 ` tomas 2023-11-01 8:29 ` Loris Bennett 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: tomas @ 2023-11-01 7:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Loris Bennett; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1073 bytes --] On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 08:32:44AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote: [...] > Assuming the quoting of previous postings works (above there seems to be > a discrepancy between '>>' and '> >', although Gnus seems to handle > that), is there some sort of 'bottom-postify' command which would > reorder the quotes? I occasionally do this by hand if I find the text > makes no sense to me otherwise. ISTR there was something, not in the Emacs context, alas, and before the First Internet Supernova (aka roughly Y2K, when Google had the choice to either go bust or go evil). I guess it won't work, since proper "bottom posting" is a bit more than just putting the whole kaboodle above and your two lines below. It takes some involvement on the responder's side to pick and choose the parts of the message she's addressing in the response. Perhaps, with a large language model... More seriously: those are simply different cultures. I strongly doubt you can bridge that with "just" a technical device (although it may help sometimes). Cheers -- [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 195 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-11-01 7:43 ` tomas @ 2023-11-01 8:29 ` Loris Bennett 2023-11-01 23:31 ` David Masterson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Loris Bennett @ 2023-11-01 8:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tomas; +Cc: emacs-orgmode <tomas@tuxteam.de> writes: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 08:32:44AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote: > > [...] > >> Assuming the quoting of previous postings works (above there seems to be >> a discrepancy between '>>' and '> >', although Gnus seems to handle >> that), is there some sort of 'bottom-postify' command which would >> reorder the quotes? I occasionally do this by hand if I find the text >> makes no sense to me otherwise. > > ISTR there was something, not in the Emacs context, alas, and before > the First Internet Supernova (aka roughly Y2K, when Google had the > choice to either go bust or go evil). > > I guess it won't work, since proper "bottom posting" is a bit more > than just putting the whole kaboodle above and your two lines below. That maybe true. However, it would probably cover well over 90% of my uses-cases. Often someone sends me a message, I bottom-post an interleaved reply, and then the other person top-posts their answer. In this case would be enough just to move the other person's singly quoted, non-interleaved text to the bottom. > It takes some involvement on the responder's side to pick and choose > the parts of the message she's addressing in the response. Once the blunt bottomification has been done, I can always delete stuff that isn't relevant, although usually I wouldn't need to do that. > Perhaps, with a large language model... Maybe, but then I would probably wait until one is advanced enough can answer all my mail and deal with all follow-ups entirely on its own :-) > More seriously: those are simply different cultures. I strongly doubt > you can bridge that with "just" a technical device (although it may > help sometimes). As I think you said, the mixture of top- and bottom posting is the worst, so it would be nice to have something to fix at least the simple cases. However I should probably raise the topic on the Gnus list rather than discussing it any further here. Cheers, Loris -- This signature is currently under constuction. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-11-01 8:29 ` Loris Bennett @ 2023-11-01 23:31 ` David Masterson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: David Masterson @ 2023-11-01 23:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Loris Bennett; +Cc: tomas, emacs-orgmode "Loris Bennett" <loris.bennett@fu-berlin.de> writes: > <tomas@tuxteam.de> writes: > >> On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 08:32:44AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote: >> >>> Assuming the quoting of previous postings works (above there seems to be >>> a discrepancy between '>>' and '> >', although Gnus seems to handle >>> that), is there some sort of 'bottom-postify' command which would >>> reorder the quotes? I occasionally do this by hand if I find the text >>> makes no sense to me otherwise. >> >> ISTR there was something, not in the Emacs context, alas, and before >> the First Internet Supernova (aka roughly Y2K, when Google had the >> choice to either go bust or go evil). >> >> I guess it won't work, since proper "bottom posting" is a bit more >> than just putting the whole kaboodle above and your two lines below. > > That maybe true. However, it would probably cover well over 90% of my > uses-cases. Often someone sends me a message, I bottom-post an > interleaved reply, and then the other person top-posts their answer. In > this case would be enough just to move the other person's singly quoted, > non-interleaved text to the bottom. Interesting idea, but the formats of "top posting" done by the various mail readers is not uniform making rearragement difficult and often not satisfying. > However I should probably raise the topic on the Gnus list rather than > discussing it any further here. Probably true. They might have some tricks. -- David Masterson ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Preferred posting style 2023-10-30 15:55 Preferred posting style yaxp ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2023-11-01 3:58 ` David Masterson @ 2023-11-01 10:45 ` Ihor Radchenko 3 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2023-11-01 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: yaxp; +Cc: emacs-orgmode yaxp <yaxp@cock.li> writes: > Which posting style is preferable in this list? See https://orgmode.org/worg/org-mailing-list.html#org7b17a4c -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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