* feature request @ 2013-06-25 15:22 42 147 2013-06-25 16:11 ` Christian Moe 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: 42 147 @ 2013-06-25 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Org-mode has proven tremendously useful in writing musical analyses, but it would also be nice to provide musical examples in plain text. Is there anything like this available? If not, I may try to do it myself. I'm finally getting my act together and finishing the Emacs Lisp Intro; but any help pointing me to the right examples, or the right conceptual frameworks would be much appreciate. Here is more or less what I would want: ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- Pretend that is the staff. The user places the cursor on the staff, and therefore enters "note entry mode." The "note-entry" function is passed three args: one for the note, two for the rhythmic value. So if the user presses "F," "F" is passed as the first argument; if the user enters "8", "8" is passed as the second argument; if the user enters ".", "." is passed as the third argument. This produces a dotted 8th F note on the staff. The third argument is optional (since not all rhythmic values are dotted), and its value is nil by default. Anyway, that is a draft of what I would want. May already exist with slightly different functionality. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request 2013-06-25 15:22 feature request 42 147 @ 2013-06-25 16:11 ` Christian Moe 2013-06-25 16:29 ` François Pinard 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Christian Moe @ 2013-06-25 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 42 147; +Cc: emacs-orgmode 42 147 writes: > Org-mode has proven tremendously useful in writing musical analyses, but > it would also be nice to provide musical examples in plain text. > > Is there anything like this available? Yes. Org-Babel supports Lilypond. It's magic. http://www.lilypond.org/ http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/ob-doc-lilypond.html Yours, Christian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request 2013-06-25 16:11 ` Christian Moe @ 2013-06-25 16:29 ` François Pinard 2013-06-25 18:31 ` Michael Brand 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: François Pinard @ 2013-06-25 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> writes: > 42 147 writes: >> Is there anything like this available? > Yes. Org-Babel supports Lilypond. It's magic. > http://www.lilypond.org/ > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/ob-doc-lilypond.html Somewhere in my old files, I have a reference to an Emacs mode for entering music visually in a kind of ASCII mode, written by Neil Jerram if I remember correctly. But this was before Han-Wen and Jan wrote Lilypond. Now that Lilypond exists, it is an immensely more interesting avenue, in my opinion. Neil code would be fairly oldish anyway. I never tried using both Org and Lilypond as suggested, but it looks like a very appealing idea, I should try it. Thanks for the suggestion. François ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request 2013-06-25 16:29 ` François Pinard @ 2013-06-25 18:31 ` Michael Brand 2013-06-26 3:13 ` feature request (rather off-topic) François Pinard 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Michael Brand @ 2013-06-25 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: François Pinard; +Cc: Org Mode Hi François On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:29 PM, François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > Somewhere in my old files, I have a reference to an Emacs mode for > entering music visually in a kind of ASCII mode, written by Neil Jerram > if I remember correctly. I am very curios to see how this looked like and how it worked. With a quick search I was not able to find it. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request (rather off-topic) 2013-06-25 18:31 ` Michael Brand @ 2013-06-26 3:13 ` François Pinard 2013-06-26 19:47 ` Michael Brand 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: François Pinard @ 2013-06-26 3:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com> writes: > François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: >> Somewhere in my old files, I have a reference to an Emacs mode for >> entering music visually in a kind of ASCII mode, written by Neil >> Jerram if I remember correctly. > I am very curios to see how this looked like and how it worked. With > a quick search I was not able to find it. Hi, Michael. I looked around a bit, and found not much in my files. I cleaned up the GNU Music project many, many years ago and did not keep much of it. Even the Emacs mode (written by Neil Jerram unless I'm mistaken) did not survive for long in the project, as we (Neil included) selected another representation for music, still kind of 2-dimensional, but more compactly coded than an ASCII drawing. To edit this representation, instead of Emacs, we wrote a specialized curses-based program. I surprisingly still have scanner.l, parser.y, editor.c, and a few other files from that project, but really, this is of no interest nowadays. In my opinion, Lilypond is immensely more appealing! It seems that Neil Jerram, which sadly, I did not contact in ages, remained active in the Emacs communities, you should easily find him here and there by Googling. I see Neil Jerram <nj104@cus.cam.ac.uk> in http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/musictools/src/lilypond-2.6.3/AUTHORS.txt, but while I think unlikely that this address is still valid, I do not know. You might try to reach him there or otherwise, if you are curious enough: maybe that with some luck, he kept around some code or example? Let me share that I remember Neil as one of the most exquisite persons I ever worked with: it always has been a great pleasure. The GNU Music project underwent a long, dark episode when Richard Stallman forced a new direction and leadership upon us, seduced at the times by the promises of Robert Strandh, who brought the project into some moribund state. Han-Wen succeeded in getting the project back to life (I helped my best), to convey what later became Lilypond. Lilypond has been successful to the point GNU Music is never heard anymore by that name, and that's very OK: Lilypond goes much beyond our dreams and means. :-) The Lilypond musical notation is quite efficient. I often use it, with a pen on a sheet of paper, in the need of noting some music for myself, when away from home and any computer. For me, it's quicker than drawing staves and notes. I quite suspect that Lilypond notation, combined with the virtues of Babel, and the graphical capabilities of Emacs, might really be the best way to handle musical scores with Org. François ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request (rather off-topic) 2013-06-26 3:13 ` feature request (rather off-topic) François Pinard @ 2013-06-26 19:47 ` Michael Brand 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Michael Brand @ 2013-06-26 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: François Pinard; +Cc: Org Mode Hi François Your post with the first-hand background about Lilypond is a very interesting read for me, thank you. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:13 AM, François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > but really, this is of no interest nowadays. > In my opinion, Lilypond is immensely more appealing! Agreed. I did not mention that to be productive I would certainly use Lilypond, preferably in Babel source blocks and for smaller scores together with Org inline images. Still I have some theoretical interest in 2-dimensional (time and pitch) score notation in plain text (not the tablature that is specific to an instrument). Maybe I will try to reach Neil to get an impression of the now historical project. > The Lilypond musical notation is quite efficient. I often use it, with > a pen on a sheet of paper, in the need of noting some music for myself, > when away from home and any computer. For me, it's quicker than drawing > staves and notes. Particularly interesting, I will have to remember that. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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