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From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
To: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:34:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcAo8sNh_mcQEBvU+5V6hWcDng8qfuax+QQquJLcQ0+zBFHqg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zjx6frrw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx>

Hi Bastien,

On 4/10/13, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Changing a doneified entry to blank todo state leaves a
>> closed ts.
>>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC org
>>   ,* DONE doneify
>>   CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
>>   ,* now change to blank todo kw -- notice the closed ts
>>   CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
>> #+END_SRC
>>
>> Perhaps it would be more intuitive for newcomers, and safer
>> for expiry searches like "+CLOSED<\"<-1m>\"" where not
>> everybody thinks to try to match all done todo keywords (not
>> even sure what the convention is for that), to remove the
>> ts.
>
> I'm not sure about this one.  Seems logical to keep the CLOSED
> information for tasks that have been done once and that do not
> have (new) active TODO keywords yet.

I think it depends on how you look at it.

For a different use case from yours:

I view blank entries as just another todo state.  To me, I want the
same behavior (deleting the closed timestamp because I *reversed* the
doneification) for switching to blank as switching to any other todo
state.  This keeps things orthogonal and therefore predictable.

The closed timestamp is not a notation (that is what state logs are
for), but a semantic indication of closedness that is useful for
expiry.  Reversing the done should in my use case (but not yours) undo
the closedness.

I wanted to to expire closed entries, and did this:

          ("ne" "clean up by expired CLOSED"
           tags "+CLOSED<\"<-1m>\""
           ((org-tags-match-list-sublevels nil)
            (org-agenda-sorting-strategy
             '(category-up user-defined-up))))

This will expire blank entries also.  I thought closed = doneish
because I prefer the orthogonal approach.  I think some other users
will also.

Of course the user can try to figure out how to say TODO=done& (or
something), but might not think to do so at first.

I have never changed doneish to blank without having to delete the
timestamp.  I thought that was a bug and did not realize that you had
a use case for making blank entries different from other todo states.

FWIW.

Samuel

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next prev parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-12  2:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-09 22:13 blank todo kw does not delete closed ts Samuel Wales
2013-04-10  7:31 ` Bastien
2013-04-12  2:34   ` Samuel Wales [this message]
2013-04-12  2:38     ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-12 15:57     ` Bastien
2013-04-13 20:27       ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-14  2:23       ` Brian van den Broek
2013-04-14  8:53         ` Bastien

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