* Problem in removing the invisible brackets of a link
@ 2018-06-29 9:36 Alain.Cochard
2018-06-29 13:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Alain.Cochard @ 2018-06-29 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hello.
The manual says:
If you place the cursor at the beginning or just behind the end
of the displayed text and press <BACKSPACE>, you will remove the
(invisible) bracket at that location.
The problem for me it that it depends on the way I arrive at those
locations. For example, for '[[xx]]', seen as 'xx' underlined, if I
have the cursor on the right of it and have it go towards the left
just after the second 'x' and press <BACKSPACE>, then the behavior is
as I expect (I see '[[xx]'), but, if I have the cursor on the left and
have it go to towards the right just after the second 'x' and press
<BACKSPACE>, then I see a single underlined 'x' (after a second
<BACKSPACE> I see '[[]]').
Is this normal? (tested with emacs -Q with master, with emacs 24.5.1
and 26.1)
Incidentally, is there a way to have things like [[xx]] behave as
plain text? (I am not talking about literal links which are still
understood as links.) I have tried 'quote', 'verse', 'verbatim',
'comment', 'example', and org code block: none work.
In the case of 'example' the 'xx' string is not underlined, yet
hitting <RET> on it generates "org-link-search: No match for fuzzy
expression: xx".
In the case of an org code block the 'xx' remains underlined but <RET>
on it generates "Evaluate this org code block on your system? (yes or
no)", which is strange to me...
PS: for me this is not a theoretical issue: In many circumstances I
would like '[[xx]]' instances not behave as links. I would be happy
if I could change the link format (e.g., use {{xx}} instead -- is it
possible? (I fear it is not.)
Thank you.
Regards
--
EOST (École et Observatoire des Sciences de la Terre)
IPG (Institut de Physique du Globe) | alain.cochard@unistra.fr
5 rue René Descartes [bureau 106] | Phone: +33 (0)3 68 85 50 44
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* Re: Problem in removing the invisible brackets of a link
2018-06-29 9:36 Problem in removing the invisible brackets of a link Alain.Cochard
@ 2018-06-29 13:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-07-03 13:12 ` Alain.Cochard
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2018-06-29 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alain.Cochard; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
> The manual says:
>
> If you place the cursor at the beginning or just behind the end
> of the displayed text and press <BACKSPACE>, you will remove the
> (invisible) bracket at that location.
>
> The problem for me it that it depends on the way I arrive at those
> locations. For example, for '[[xx]]', seen as 'xx' underlined, if I
> have the cursor on the right of it and have it go towards the left
> just after the second 'x' and press <BACKSPACE>, then the behavior is
> as I expect (I see '[[xx]'), but, if I have the cursor on the left and
> have it go to towards the right just after the second 'x' and press
> <BACKSPACE>, then I see a single underlined 'x' (after a second
> <BACKSPACE> I see '[[]]').
>
> Is this normal? (tested with emacs -Q with master, with emacs 24.5.1
> and 26.1)
Yes, it is normal Emacs behaviour. See (info "(elisp) Invisible Text").
I guess we could clarify the manual. Suggestions welcome.
> Incidentally, is there a way to have things like [[xx]] behave as
> plain text?
Yes, there is. Insert a zero width space after the opening brackets.
> (I am not talking about literal links which are still
> understood as links.) I have tried 'quote', 'verse', 'verbatim',
> 'comment', 'example', and org code block: none work.
=[[xx]]= and ~[[xx]]= are not links; try to export them.
However, `org-open-at-point' still treats them as such -- see last
paragraph in its docstring -- because this was a desirable feature for
some users, IIRC.
> PS: for me this is not a theoretical issue: In many circumstances I
> would like '[[xx]]' instances not behave as links. I would be happy
> if I could change the link format (e.g., use {{xx}} instead -- is it
> possible? (I fear it is not.)
No, you cannot change link syntax, but you don't need to, either.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Problem in removing the invisible brackets of a link
2018-06-29 13:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2018-07-03 13:12 ` Alain.Cochard
2018-10-14 8:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alain.Cochard @ 2018-07-03 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou writes on Fri 29 Jun 2018 15:39:
> > The manual says:
> >
> > If you place the cursor at the beginning or just behind the end
> > of the displayed text and press <BACKSPACE>, you will remove the
> > (invisible) bracket at that location.
> >
> > The problem for me it that it depends on the way I arrive at those
> > locations. For example, for '[[xx]]', seen as 'xx' underlined, if I
> > have the cursor on the right of it and have it go towards the left
> > just after the second 'x' and press <BACKSPACE>, then the behavior is
> > as I expect (I see '[[xx]'), but, if I have the cursor on the left and
> > have it go to towards the right just after the second 'x' and press
> > <BACKSPACE>, then I see a single underlined 'x' (after a second
> > <BACKSPACE> I see '[[]]').
> >
> > Is this normal? [...]
> Yes, it is normal Emacs behaviour. See (info "(elisp) Invisible
> Text").
OK, thanks a lot.
> I guess we could clarify the manual. Suggestions welcome.
I guess you could simply add a footnote after "location." in the
excerpt above.
- Minimalist: See (info "(elisp) Invisible Text").
- Hardly more: For more details, see (info "(elisp) Invisible Text").
- Facetious: If unexpected behavior occurs, check (info "(elisp)
Invisible Text").
- Too kind: Beware, the precise behavior depends on how the cursor has
been placed there -- see (info "(elisp) Invisible Text").
> > Incidentally, is there a way to have things like [[xx]] behave as
> > plain text?
> Yes, there is. Insert a zero width space after the opening
> brackets.
Thanks again. I would also advocate some mention of this in the
manual (if not already there somewhere, which I did not find). I was
thinking about an extra sentence at the end of "4.1 Link format";
something like:
To have ‘[[text]]’ constructs behave as plain text and not as
links, insert a zero-width space (C-x 8 <RET> ZERO WIDTH SPACE
<RET>) between the opening (or the closing) brackets.
However, I still don't see how this can be something convenient for
massive and frequent use. In my case, I often yank and work on code
fragments written in the Mathematica language, for which the [[]]
syntax is used for list indexing. Well, I guess I'll have to learn to
live with that...
> > (I am not talking about literal links which are still
> > understood as links.) I have tried 'quote', 'verse', 'verbatim',
> > 'comment', 'example', and org code block: none work.
> =[[xx]]= and ~[[xx]]= are not links; try to export them.
Indeed. Thanks once more.
Regards
--
EOST (École et Observatoire des Sciences de la Terre)
IPG (Institut de Physique du Globe) | alain.cochard@unistra.fr
5 rue René Descartes [bureau 106] | Phone: +33 (0)3 68 85 50 44
F-67084 Strasbourg Cedex, France | Fax: +33 (0)3 68 85 01 25
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* Re: Problem in removing the invisible brackets of a link
2018-07-03 13:12 ` Alain.Cochard
@ 2018-10-14 8:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-10-14 12:11 ` Kaushal Modi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2018-10-14 8:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alain.Cochard; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
> > =[[xx]]= and ~[[xx]]= are not links; try to export them.
>
> Indeed. Thanks once more.
For the record, I fixed fontification of verbatim markup. Links within
=...= and ~...~ are no longer fontified.
Regard,s
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Problem in removing the invisible brackets of a link
2018-10-14 8:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2018-10-14 12:11 ` Kaushal Modi
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Kaushal Modi @ 2018-10-14 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alain.Cochard, emacs-org list
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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018, 4:08 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
>
> > > =[[xx]]= and ~[[xx]]= are not links; try to export them.
> >
> > Indeed. Thanks once more.
>
> For the record, I fixed fontification of verbatim markup. Links within
> =...= and ~...~ are no longer fontified.
>
You fixed a little long time pet peeve :) Many thanks!
>
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