From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: mail@christianmoe.com
Cc: Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca>, Jeff Horn <jrhorn424@gmail.com>,
Org-mode ml <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
Dan Davison <dandavison7@gmail.com>,
Baoqiu Cui <cbaoqiu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Aligning Columns in HTML Export Tables
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:22:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AB228DEF-47DB-47F6-B671-AB51604FFE5F@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CC58271.6050005@christianmoe.com>
On Oct 25, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Christian Moe wrote:
> On 10/25/10 11:08 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Christian Moe wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/25/10 6:36 AM, Baoqiu Cui wrote:
>>> I am wondering if there
>>>> is any special reason to use "class" instead of "align". If not,
>>>> can we
>>>> change the elisp code to use "align"?
>>>
>>> I believe the "align" attribute is slated for obsoletion in HTML5,
>>> on the grounds that it's better handled by CSS.
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html
>>>
>>> It's a reason to go with "class" instead. Not a compelling one,
>>> perhaps.
>>>
>>> My only strong opinion on this is that I absolutely agree with the
>>> choice not to set the "style" attribute locally on each table cell.
>>
>> Hmm, butwe do now set the class in each cell. Is that any better?
>>
>> - Carsten
>
> It's a subtle difference, and every way works, so I don't want to
> waste more of your time.
>
> #+begin_rant
> But yes, I think it /is/ better, for the same reason Sebastian
> requested it: Setting class is the preferred way to make all cells
> of that class custom-styleable by changing a single line in the
> stylesheet.
>
> As I pointed out below, though, it's not the only way. CSS lets you
> do the same, nearly as easily, if "align" is used instead of "class"
> as Baoqiu Cui suggested; "class" is more future-proof (HTML5),
> "align" more compact (the default is already defined).
>
> (Heck, come to think of it, Sebastian could have monospaced the left-
> aligned column in his example even when Org set "style" on each
> cell, using a selector like:
> : td[style="text-align: left;"] { font-family: monospace; }
> -- but that, I think, would be perverse.)
>
> Over-use of the style attribute to set styles locally works against
> the purpose of CSS. The local style attribute should be used for
> exceptions; general rules should be handled at a higher level of the
> cascade.
I agree. But in the context of text alignment in tables, not all
browsers support
styles specified for entire columns. I think it is ridiculous to have
to specify the alignment (or a class) for each field, but the browser
realities force me.
OK, I will use class. I could make a special case for the docbook
exporter......
>
> Having to set /anything/ on each cell just to align a column is not
> optimal either, but since some browsers don't honor colgroups, it's
> the most robust way.
:-) Just what I think. OK, a class it is.
- Carsten
>>>>
>>>> td.right { font-family:monospace;text-align:right; }
>>>
>>> Using the "align" attribute as follows,
>>>
>>> <tr>
>>> <td align="right">1</td>
>>> <td align="left">bar</td>
>>> <td align="left">text</td>
>>> <tr>
>>>
>>> Sebastian could achieve the same with CSS like
>>>
>>> td[align="right"] { font-family: monospace;}
>>>
>>> In the same way one could even use CSS to override the alignment
>>> specified by the "align" attribute, if for whatever reason this
>>> seemed like a good idea...
>>>
>>> One slight advantage of the "align" attribute over "class" is that
>>> it doesn't require the default style to contain the extra verbiage
>>> Carsten mentioned:
>>>
>>>> I have now in the default style:
>>>>
>>>> td, th { vertical-align: top; }
>>>> th.right { text-align:right; }
>>>> th.left { text-align:left; }
>>>> th.center { text-align:center; }
>>>> td.right { text-align:right; }
>>>> td.left { text-align:left; }
>>>> td.center { text-align:center; }
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to write this more compactly?
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Christian
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>
>
- Carsten
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-25 13:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-20 16:42 Aligning Columns in HTML Export Tables Jeff Horn
2010-10-20 17:16 ` Bernt Hansen
2010-10-20 19:04 ` Christian Moe
2010-10-20 20:11 ` Jeff Horn
2010-10-21 0:25 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-21 7:36 ` Christian Moe
2010-10-21 7:46 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-21 13:04 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-21 13:25 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-22 7:32 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-22 11:20 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-22 11:27 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-22 13:59 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-22 15:41 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-22 19:30 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-23 5:42 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-23 19:03 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-22 19:37 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-23 5:53 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-23 19:20 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-23 19:28 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-25 6:48 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-25 9:02 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
2010-10-25 9:09 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-25 4:36 ` Baoqiu Cui
2010-10-25 8:51 ` Christian Moe
2010-10-25 9:08 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-25 13:13 ` Christian Moe
2010-10-25 13:22 ` Carsten Dominik [this message]
2010-10-25 14:55 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-25 20:41 ` Christian Moe
2010-10-25 21:52 ` Baoqiu Cui
2010-10-26 5:11 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-26 16:03 ` Baoqiu Cui
2010-10-25 13:43 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-10-25 20:04 ` Christian Moe
2010-10-25 21:39 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-10-26 5:12 ` Carsten Dominik
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