* [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
@ 2015-02-19 14:52 Rasmus
2015-02-19 15:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Rasmus @ 2015-02-19 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi,
Consider this example:
#+ATTR_LATEX: :environment nil :center nil :caption cap
| t |
Exporting to latex, it produces:
\begin{table}[htb]
cap
\begin{tabular}{l}
\toprule
t\\
\bottomrule
\end{tabular}
\end{table}
I'd expect:
cap
\begin{tabular}{l}
\toprule
t\\
\bottomrule
\end{tabular}
The real usecase is that I want to use \captionof{table}{my caption}.
I can try to fix it myself later if that's better.
—Rasmus
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 14:52 [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment Rasmus
@ 2015-02-19 15:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-19 15:19 ` Rasmus
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-02-19 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rasmus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
> Consider this example:
>
> #+ATTR_LATEX: :environment nil :center nil :caption cap
> | t |
>
> Exporting to latex, it produces:
>
> \begin{table}[htb]
> cap
> \begin{tabular}{l}
> \toprule
> t\\
> \bottomrule
> \end{tabular}
> \end{table}
>
> I'd expect:
>
> cap
> \begin{tabular}{l}
> \toprule
> t\\
> \bottomrule
> \end{tabular}
This is a feature. A caption implies, at least, a "table" environment.
> The real usecase is that I want to use \captionof{table}{my caption}.
This feature existed before support for "captionof". Of course, it is
now possible to make use of this macro and alter `org-latex--org-table'
accordingly.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 15:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-02-19 15:19 ` Rasmus
2015-02-19 15:28 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Rasmus @ 2015-02-19 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> This is a feature. A caption implies, at least, a "table" environment.
Except when it doesn't¹ ... And in this case I told Org that it doesn't by
specifying :environment nil. :environment should be stronger
than :caption.
>> The real usecase is that I want to use \captionof{table}{my caption}.
>
> This feature existed before support for "captionof". Of course, it is
> now possible to make use of this macro and alter `org-latex--org-table'
> accordingly.
There no explicit interface for \captonof, and reading the manual of
capt-of, I don't want to, as the author says care should be taken in
documents where floats are also used.
—Rasmus
Footnotes:
¹ I need to put the table inside an minipage, and they don't hold floats.
--
. . . The proofs are technical in nature and provides no real
understanding
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 15:19 ` Rasmus
@ 2015-02-19 15:28 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-19 15:50 ` Rasmus
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-02-19 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rasmus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>
>> This is a feature. A caption implies, at least, a "table" environment.
>
> Except when it doesn't¹ ...
That's your problem since Org didn't request the minipage in the first
place. You don't want a caption but still provide one.
> And in this case I told Org that it doesn't by specifying :environment
> nil. :environment should be stronger than :caption.
This is really a matter of taste. I don't mind either way.
> There no explicit interface for \captonof, and reading the manual of
> capt-of, I don't want to, as the author says care should be taken in
> documents where floats are also used.
Again, this is the user's problem. But it could be reasonable to use
"captionof" when no environment is explicitly required. IOW "ox-latex"
could fall-back to caption of when a caption is specified and there's no
environment to hold it.
Regards,
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 15:28 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-02-19 15:50 ` Rasmus
2015-02-19 16:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Rasmus @ 2015-02-19 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Again, this is the user's problem. But it could be reasonable to use
> "captionof" when no environment is explicitly required.
Do you consider it explicit when no environment is specified? I would
/only/ use capt-of when :environment is nil.
> IOW "ox-latex" could fall-back to caption of when a caption is
> specified and there's no environment to hold it.
That would be nice, I guess. Then I could also use #+CAPTION which is
arguably nicer than #+attr_latex :caption.
—Rasmus
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 15:50 ` Rasmus
@ 2015-02-19 16:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-19 16:43 ` Rasmus
2015-02-19 16:49 ` Rasmus
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-02-19 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rasmus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
> Do you consider it explicit when no environment is specified? I would
> /only/ use capt-of when :environment is nil.
I think you are confusing :environment and :float. :environment cannot
be nil.
‘:environment’
Environment used for the table. It can be set to any LaTeX table
environment, like ‘tabularx’(1), ‘longtable’, ‘array’, ‘tabu’(2),
‘bmatrix’... It defaults to ‘org-latex-default-table-environment’
value.
‘:placement’
The ‘:float’ specifies the float environment for the table.
Possible values are ‘sideways’(3), ‘multicolumn’, ‘t’ and ‘nil’.
When unspecified, a table with a caption will have a ‘table’
environment. Moreover, the ‘:placement’ attribute can specify the
positioning of the float. Note: ‘:placement’ is ignored for
‘:float sideways’ tables.
We could use captof with a caption and :float nil.
> That would be nice, I guess. Then I could also use #+CAPTION which is
> arguably nicer than #+attr_latex :caption.
Indeed.
Regards,
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 16:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-02-19 16:43 ` Rasmus
2015-02-19 16:49 ` Rasmus
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From: Rasmus @ 2015-02-19 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>> Do you consider it explicit when no environment is specified? I would
>> /only/ use capt-of when :environment is nil.
>
> I think you are confusing :environment and :float. :environment cannot
> be nil.
I think you are right.
> We could use captof with a caption and :float nil.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
—Rasmus
--
Need more coffee. . .
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 16:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-19 16:43 ` Rasmus
@ 2015-02-19 16:49 ` Rasmus
2015-02-24 20:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Rasmus @ 2015-02-19 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> We could use captof with a caption and :float nil.
You would also be able to do this with the awful float-package using the
H :placement, though I guess it's still a float (so I don't know if it
would work in e.g. minipage).
AFAIK, we use float actively at one place, namely ";; Case 1. No source
fontification". Of org-latex-src-block. In that particular case I guess
we could also use capt-of, actually.
At some point I wanted to get rid of float, until I became aware that
capt-of doesn't ensure that floats/non-floats appear in the right order.
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-19 16:49 ` Rasmus
@ 2015-02-24 20:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-02-24 22:49 ` Rasmus
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-02-24 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rasmus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
> AFAIK, we use float actively at one place, namely ";; Case 1. No source
> fontification". Of org-latex-src-block. In that particular case I guess
> we could also use capt-of, actually.
It's worth trying. Do you want to provide a patch?
> At some point I wanted to get rid of float, until I became aware that
> capt-of doesn't ensure that floats/non-floats appear in the right
> order.
Since we wouldn't use floats anymore, this isn't a problem, is it?
Regards,
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* Re: [ox-latex, bug?] :caption forces environment
2015-02-24 20:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-02-24 22:49 ` Rasmus
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Rasmus @ 2015-02-24 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>
>> AFAIK, we use float actively at one place, namely ";; Case 1. No source
>> fontification". Of org-latex-src-block. In that particular case I guess
>> we could also use capt-of, actually.
>
> It's worth trying. Do you want to provide a patch?
Yeah, I started already, but so far only tables works, but I'm really busy
ATM with funding applications.
[BTW: For one I need to send a .doc. I'm getting random crashes with
ox-odt as well (as Eric), but I haven't been able to track it down...]
>> At some point I wanted to get rid of float, until I became aware that
>> capt-of doesn't ensure that floats/non-floats appear in the right
>> order.
>
> Since we wouldn't use floats anymore, this isn't a problem, is it?
Well the problem is that you can get unorder. E.g. the following where I
don't know if the syntax is valid. Table 1 can be printed midway on the
page, and table 2 can be printed on top of the page, but table 2 would
actually be called "Table 2". I haven't tested this thoroughly though.
Text
#+Attr_latex: :float nil
| 1 |
Text
#+Attr_latex: :float t :options [t]
| 2 |
—Rasmus
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