From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] org.el: Call EXT-enable for `org-modules' (was Re: [PATCH] org-ctags.el: Do not activate on load)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2024 10:21:17 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y18teste.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <v0qk6b$12m4$1@ciao.gmane.io>
Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> writes:
>> Applied, onto main.
>
> I was expecting that you would be against it since it is a breaking change.
>
> See a follow-up to
> Ihor Radchenko. Re: Autoloading side effects
> (was: Re: [BUG] org-mouse is activated without explicit require)
> Mon, 12 Dec 2022 10:25:16 +0000
> <https://list.orgmode.org/871qp4j4vn.fsf@localhost>
Not against. The side effects in org-ctags are _disruptive_. And Bastien
agreed that we can go ahead with breaking change in this case.
Later in the thread we deviated to discussing what exactly constitutes a
harmful side effect and what is acceptable, but that's a more general
discussion. org-ctags is clearly too aggressive.
> However now I am in doubts why org-ctags is not a minor mode.
What would be the benefit?
> ** Miscellaneous
> +*** ~feature-enable~ functions are called for extensions from ~org-modules~
> +
> +Accordingly to Emacs [[info:elisp#Coding Conventions][coding conventions]]
> +loading a library must not modify behavior
> +since it may be done for the sake of help or command completion.
> +To make user configuration more convenient, when an extension ~EXT~ listed
> +in ~org-modules~ implements ~EXT-enable~ function, it is executed
> +during loading of Org mode or in response to customization of ~org-modules~.
> +So instead of ~(require 'EXT)~ in your init file add ~EXT~ to ~org-modules~.
> +See also
> +[[*~org-ctags~ is not activated by default any more][~org-ctags~ is not activated by default any more]].
I'd like to discuss this idea with enable-feature on emacs-devel first.
Maybe we can adapt it more widely without special handling for
org-modules.
See
https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/87zft9esva.fsf@localhost/
[FR] Provide a way to activate packages automatically for side effect
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-01 10:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-09 23:57 [PATCH] `org-ctags-create-tags` creates empty TAGS file [9.6.15 (release_9.6.15 @ /home/martin/Projects/emacs/lisp/org/)] Martin Marshall
2024-02-10 4:49 ` Is there something people use instead of org-ctags? (was: [PATCH] `org-ctags-create-tags` creates empty TAGS file) Martin Marshall
2024-02-10 14:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-10 14:27 ` [PATCH] `org-ctags-create-tags` creates empty TAGS file [9.6.15 (release_9.6.15 @ /home/martin/Projects/emacs/lisp/org/)] Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-10 21:10 ` Morgan Willcock
2024-02-10 21:20 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-19 10:21 ` Max Nikulin
2024-03-20 12:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-28 7:37 ` [PATCH] org-ctags.el: Protect shell specials in directory name Max Nikulin
2024-04-28 12:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-28 16:51 ` Max Nikulin
2024-04-28 16:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-28 16:58 ` Max Nikulin
2024-04-28 17:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-29 10:26 ` Max Nikulin
2024-04-29 13:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-29 16:54 ` [PATCH] org-ctags.el: Do not activate on load Max Nikulin
2024-04-30 10:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-30 11:20 ` [PATCH] org.el: Call EXT-enable for `org-modules' (was Re: [PATCH] org-ctags.el: Do not activate on load) Max Nikulin
2024-05-01 10:21 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2024-05-01 11:38 ` Max Nikulin
2024-05-01 13:57 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-30 12:59 ` [PATCH] org-ctags.el: Do not activate on load Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-30 13:37 ` Max Nikulin
2024-04-30 15:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
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