From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: "Juan Manuel Macías" <maciaschain@posteo.net>
Cc: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:32:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tts185zb.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y1hdvifa.fsf@posteo.net>
Juan Manuel Macías <maciaschain@posteo.net> writes:
> Ihor Radchenko writes:
>
>> For context, I plan to provide a global language-identifier alist that
>> will link human-readable language names to abbreviations like "de",
>> "de-de", etc. These abbreviations are not unique to LaTeX, but also used
>> elsewhere, so there is no guarantee that babel .ini files will always
>> use a consistent set of language abbreviations.
>
> Is the code you're working on in a public repository, to keep an eye
> on?
Not really. The story starts from the previous discussion of
translations in your French quote patch:
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87pm3e6qx3.fsf@localhost/
I started writing it and realized that the current situation with all
the translations scattered all over the place (at least, ox libraries,
column view, and org-clock) is not ideal. So, I plan to factor out all
the translations into a separate file (say, org-translate). That file
will also define common interfaces to work with language codes and
translating phrases.
> As I mentioned in previous messages, that seems like a great improvement
> to me. I think it was not a happy decision at the time to use languages
> codes to declare the language of the document in Org. Language codes can
> be useful at a low level (although they can also lead to confusion), but
> I think that for a user level it is more practical to use human-readable
> names, as is done in babel or polyglossia, and in general, any user
> interface outside of LaTeX. Although babel also allows language codes as
> a value for some \babelprovide options (for example, I can define a new
> "virtual" language, importing the Greek captions:
> \babelprovide[captions=el]{mylanguage}).
That's very LaTeX-specific and will be limited to LaTeX export.
I do not see any problem since we have to support languages defined by
language code anyway, for backwards compatibility.
> In case it helps you, on page. 19 of the Babel manual there is an
> exhaustive list of all the languages codes, and on p. 22 a list of
> supported (human readable) language names for loading ini files. The
> language names of the old ldf files are on p. 49:
>
> https://CTAN/macros/latex/required/babel/base/babel.pdf
Thanks!
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-11 8:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-06 14:55 ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6 Max Nikulin
2023-09-06 22:20 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-07 10:38 ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-07 11:50 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-07 14:19 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-07 14:49 ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-08 10:30 ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-08 14:42 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-08 19:02 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-09 9:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 10:36 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-09 11:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 23:59 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-10 7:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 11:06 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-10 13:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 16:15 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Max Nikulin
2023-09-10 16:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 21:15 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-11 8:32 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-09-11 17:06 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Max Nikulin
2023-09-12 9:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-12 15:22 ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-12 18:12 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-15 9:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-15 9:51 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Ihor Radchenko
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