* Possible bugs
@ 2006-06-10 12:24 Bastien
2006-06-10 13:16 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-10 13:45 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2006-06-10 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Dominik and all,
Thanks for org-mode. Here is a quite long list of possible bugs or
strange behavior.
* Fontification: a *bold* is not recognized as such when other than a
space or a beginning-of-line char surrounds it. Hence "(*bold*)" or
"*bold*?" are not fontified.
Additionnally: "*bold*" at the beginning of a line is also fontified
with org-level-* face. Maybe org-level-* regexps should made a space
after the "*" mandatory.
* No comment syntax is defined - "#" seems obvious.
* DEADLINE/SCHEDULED strings still matched when commented.
* The ?" char acceptable in links, which sometimes produces strange
results.
* When TYP_SEQ and TODO_SEQ both end with "TODO" (as they should do),
then `C-c a t' two redundant "DONE" options.
* Maybe links in fixed-width environments should be either expanded or
underlined (except if you got rid of every kind of fontification in
this environment).
* org-store link corrupting gnus-registry ? I'm using gnus-registry
and i did remark that org-store-link, when called on an article,
corrupted the ~/.gnus.registry.el file. I've no further hint on
*when* and *why* it happens. Seems quite random for now.
* Storing an image buffer with `org-store-link' stores the image
itself (as a read-only object). I think it would be more convenient
to have the file-name stored instead of the image.
Well... enough for today! Hope this is useful.
Best regards,
--
Bastien
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* Re: Possible bugs
2006-06-10 12:24 Possible bugs Bastien
@ 2006-06-10 13:16 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-10 13:45 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-06-10 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Bastien,
On Jun 10, 2006, at 14:24, Bastien wrote:
> Hi Dominik and all,
(Carsten is my first name...)
Thanks for this very useful list of bugs and other issues. I'll go
through these for the next release.
- Carsten
>
> Thanks for org-mode. Here is a quite long list of possible bugs or
> strange behavior.
>
> * Fontification: a *bold* is not recognized as such when other than a
> space or a beginning-of-line char surrounds it. Hence "(*bold*)" or
> "*bold*?" are not fontified.
>
> Additionnally: "*bold*" at the beginning of a line is also fontified
> with org-level-* face. Maybe org-level-* regexps should made a space
> after the "*" mandatory.
>
> * No comment syntax is defined - "#" seems obvious.
>
> * DEADLINE/SCHEDULED strings still matched when commented.
>
> * The ?" char acceptable in links, which sometimes produces strange
> results.
>
> * When TYP_SEQ and TODO_SEQ both end with "TODO" (as they should do),
> then `C-c a t' two redundant "DONE" options.
>
> * Maybe links in fixed-width environments should be either expanded or
> underlined (except if you got rid of every kind of fontification in
> this environment).
>
> * org-store link corrupting gnus-registry ? I'm using gnus-registry
> and i did remark that org-store-link, when called on an article,
> corrupted the ~/.gnus.registry.el file. I've no further hint on
> *when* and *why* it happens. Seems quite random for now.
>
> * Storing an image buffer with `org-store-link' stores the image
> itself (as a read-only object). I think it would be more convenient
> to have the file-name stored instead of the image.
>
> Well... enough for today! Hope this is useful.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Bastien
>
>
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* Re: Possible bugs
2006-06-10 12:24 Possible bugs Bastien
2006-06-10 13:16 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-06-10 13:45 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-10 16:20 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-06-10 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Jun 10, 2006, at 14:24, Bastien wrote:
> Hi Dominik and all,
>
> Thanks for org-mode. Here is a quite long list of possible bugs or
> strange behavior.
>
> * Fontification: a *bold* is not recognized as such when other than a
> space or a beginning-of-line char surrounds it. Hence "(*bold*)" or
> "*bold*?" are not fontified.
FOr the coming release I have generalized the emphasis part very much
and allowed to configure the regular expression for emphasis matching.
The cases you mention above are now covered - I am always hesitant to
make make it match too easily because it may match in unwonted places.
But maybe I am too restrictive. You are welcome to suggest a better
default for the customization variable org-emphasis-regexp-components
after the next release.
>
> Additionnally: "*bold*" at the beginning of a line is also fontified
> with org-level-* face. Maybe org-level-* regexps should made a space
> after the "*" mandatory.
This is already on my list, but takes longer because headline matching
happens in a million places in the Org-mode code, in many different
ways. For me personally, this is usually not a problem because I like
to indent text under a headline, so that a *bold* is usually not at the
beginning of the line. But yes, this should be fixed eventually.
>
> * No comment syntax is defined - "#" seems obvious.
How could I miss this???? Thanks.
>
> * DEADLINE/SCHEDULED strings still matched when commented.
Hmmm, yes this is true. I never use comments in org-mode to turn off
timestamps and their function. For now, I am not going to fix this.
>
> * The ?" char acceptable in links, which sometimes produces strange
> results.
Example?
>
> * When TYP_SEQ and TODO_SEQ both end with "TODO" (as they should do),
> then `C-c a t' two redundant "DONE" options.
You should never have both in a buffer, just one is allowed. The
result of putting both is not well defined.
> * Maybe links in fixed-width environments should be either expanded or
> underlined (except if you got rid of every kind of fontification in
> this environment).
This is really for quoting stuff, so I guess the bug is that font-lock
still fontifies in these areas.
I am taking note, but need time to fix this.
>
> * org-store link corrupting gnus-registry ? I'm using gnus-registry
> and i did remark that org-store-link, when called on an article,
> corrupted the ~/.gnus.registry.el file. I've no further hint on
> *when* and *why* it happens. Seems quite random for now.
Any gnus expert around here? I have not idea why and how this might
happen.
>
> * Storing an image buffer with `org-store-link' stores the image
> itself (as a read-only object). I think it would be more convenient
> to have the file-name stored instead of the image.
What is an image buffer? I buffer visiting a (for example) .jpg file?
>
> Well... enough for today! Hope this is useful.
Certainly is. Thanks.
- Carsten
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* Re: Possible bugs
2006-06-10 13:45 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-06-10 16:20 ` Bastien
2006-06-10 18:59 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2006-06-10 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
> FOr the coming release I have generalized the emphasis part very much
> and allowed to configure the regular expression for emphasis matching.
Works far better for me like this. I don't see any relevant
improvement to org-emphasis-regexp-components. (BTW, I've made
org-blog to use org-emph-re instead of org-bold-re and the like.)
Trying to customize org-emphasis-alist to use strike-through
fontification, i've been manually setting this:
(setq org-emphasis-alist
'(("*" bold "<b>" "</b>")
("/" italic "<i>" "</i>")
("_" underline "<u>" "</u>")
("=" shadow "<code>" "</code>")
("+" (:strike-through t) "<code>" "</code>")))
Which works great.
But doing the same from M-x customize-variable RET org-emphasis-alist
does not work, since (:strike-through t) is not recognize here as a
face.
> This is already on my list, but takes longer because headline matching
> happens in a million places in the Org-mode code, in many different
> ways. For me personally, this is usually not a problem because I
> like to indent text under a headline
Same for me - till i needed to write the org file for org-blog ;)
>> * The ?" char acceptable in links, which sometimes produces strange
>> results.
If someone quotes a link "http://like.this" then the last `"' is
fontified as part of the link.
> You should never have both in a buffer, just one is allowed. The
> result of putting both is not well defined.
Okay. Using both was quite natural to me, and no strange behavior so
far.
> Any gnus expert around here? I have not idea why and how this might
> happen.
I'm not a Gnus expert but i'll try to track down this bug further.
I let you know.
> What is an image buffer? I buffer visiting a (for example) .jpg
> file?
Yes. IMHO org-store-link in such a buffer should only store the
*file*, without inserting the image itself in the link.
--
Bastien
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* Re: Possible bugs
2006-06-10 16:20 ` Bastien
@ 2006-06-10 18:59 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-11 11:14 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-06-10 18:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Bastien,
On Jun 10, 2006, at 18:20, Bastien wrote:
> Trying to customize org-emphasis-alist to use strike-through
> fontification, i've been manually setting this:
>
> (setq org-emphasis-alist
> '(("*" bold "<b>" "</b>")
> ("/" italic "<i>" "</i>")
> ("_" underline "<u>" "</u>")
> ("=" shadow "<code>" "</code>")
> ("+" (:strike-through t) "<code>" "</code>")))
I had no idea that this might work, this is great, thanks for pointing
this out. I'll fix the customization code to accept this.
>
>>> * The ?" char acceptable in links, which sometimes produces strange
>>> results.
>
> If someone quotes a link "http://like.this" then the last `"' is
> fontified as part of the link.
I guess quotes are allowed as parts of a link, so there is no way I
could tell, could I?
A workaround would be to write "[[http://like.this]]".
What does this have to do with the question mark?
>
>> You should never have both in a buffer, just one is allowed. The
>> result of putting both is not well defined.
>
> Okay. Using both was quite natural to me, and no strange behavior so
> far.
What "natural" behavior would you have expected by having both? Maybe
there is a good way to define what should happen in this case?
>
>> Any gnus expert around here? I have not idea why and how this might
>> happen.
>
> I'm not a Gnus expert but i'll try to track down this bug further.
> I let you know.
Thanks.
>
>> What is an image buffer? I buffer visiting a (for example) .jpg
>> file?
>
> Yes. IMHO org-store-link in such a buffer should only store the
> *file*, without inserting the image itself in the link.
OK, I will do this. I guess these would be buffers in `image-mode'.
- Carsten
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* Re: Possible bugs
2006-06-10 18:59 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-06-11 11:14 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2006-06-11 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
> I had no idea that this might work, this is great, thanks for pointing
> this out. I'll fix the customization code to accept this.
« Good software works great in some ways that we didn't even
anticipate. » (from fuzzy memory - Eric S. Raymond?)
> I guess quotes are allowed as parts of a link, so there is no way I
> could tell, could I?
Maybe just modify org-non-link-chars?
(defconst org-non-link-chars "]\t\n\r<>\"")
^^
> What does this have to do with the question mark?
(I was just using elisp syntax for a character: " -> ?")
> What "natural" behavior would you have expected by having both?
> Maybe there is a good way to define what should happen in this case?
Cycling through a heading with both SEQ_TODO and TYP_TODO defined
first cycles through the SEQ_TODO keywords. After the first "DONE"
it cycles through the TYP_TODO till the next "DONE".
I'm using it when i need to categorize a task without tagging it. But
my use of org-mode is currently quite unstable, i'm just trying to
figure out what is the best way to get things appropriatly ordered.
>> I'm not a Gnus expert but i'll try to track down this bug further.
>> I let you know.
I think this comes from the fact that org-store-link doesn't strip
strings off their fontifications. See the way an registry entry
looks in my ~/.gnus.registry.el:
<http://www.cognition.ens.fr/~guerry/org-b-log/org-gnus-registry.txt>
This causes gnus-registry.el to complain, because of the wrong "#"
character.
> OK, I will do this. I guess these would be buffers in `image-mode'.
Right.
Regards,
--
Bastien
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