* New Citation syntax on the master branch? @ 2015-05-10 7:00 Vaidheeswaran C 2015-05-10 7:14 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-10 7:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode New citation syntax, is it in the trunk yet?. If "No", under what conditions will it land in the trunk. I am thinking of stashing away my ox-jabref.el in to GNU ELPA. If the citation syntax is only an EXPERIMENTAL feature with no certainty about it's mainstream availability or maturity, then my plans for ox-jabref.el is a non-starter. Just checking... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-10 7:00 New Citation syntax on the master branch? Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-10 7:14 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2015-05-10 7:27 ` Vaidheeswaran C 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-05-10 7:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Vaidheeswaran C; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hello, Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com> writes: > New citation syntax, is it in the trunk yet?. No, it isn't. > If "No", under what conditions will it land in the trunk. At the moment it is a minimal syntax, i.e., it doesn't support sub-types. It will land in the trunk once a library using it for Org core is implemented. I put it in a separate branch so that such a library can be built, discussed and tested. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-10 7:14 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-05-10 7:27 ` Vaidheeswaran C 2015-05-13 11:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-10 7:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Sunday 10 May 2015 12:44 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > It will land in the trunk once a library using it for Org core is > implemented. I put it in a separate branch so that such a library can be > built, discussed and tested. 1. Do you, as a maintainer, have any specific plans for this library? 2. What conditions should such a library satisfy in order that it is considered a candidate. 3. Are there any contenders for this library at this moment. For example, is ox-jabref.el a contender for this library. If "No", on what counts it fails to get through the gate. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-10 7:27 ` Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-13 11:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2015-05-17 19:08 ` Vaidheeswaran C 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-05-13 11:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Vaidheeswaran C; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com> writes: > On Sunday 10 May 2015 12:44 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > >> It will land in the trunk once a library using it for Org core is >> implemented. I put it in a separate branch so that such a library can be >> built, discussed and tested. > > 1. Do you, as a maintainer, have any specific plans for this library? I'm not a maintainer. Anyway, I have no specific plan besides installing it in core once involved parts (both developers and users in the ML) agree on its quality and usefulness. > 2. What conditions should such a library satisfy in order that it is > considered a candidate. I don't use a reference manager myself. However, we are lucky enough to count on users of such things on the ML. Their opinion matters. A candidate should be useful enough to make at least a part of them willing to use it instead of their current set-up. > 3. Are there any contenders for this library at this moment. There was a discussion about it a couple of months ago. IIRC, there is a library being developed there. > For example, is ox-jabref.el a contender for this library. If "No", on > what counts it fails to get through the gate. There can be more than one library: one for Jabref, one for Zotero, one for BibTex... Different users have different needs. The question is: which one would be included in Org core? Ideally, org-citation (oc.el for short) could implement the UI, and libraries talking to reference managers (e.g oc-jabref, oc-zotero, oc-bibtex...) could be used as back-ends feeding "oc.el". In this situation, we could include more than one back-end in core. From an external POV, I think "org-ref.el" pretty much defines what features could be included in "oc.el" (though, some of them would be back-end specific). Regards, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-13 11:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-05-17 19:08 ` Vaidheeswaran C 2015-05-17 8:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-17 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Wednesday 13 May 2015 04:32 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Sunday 10 May 2015 12:44 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: >> >>> It will land in the trunk once a library using it for Org core is >>> implemented. I put it in a separate branch so that such a library can be >>> built, discussed and tested. >> >> 1. Do you, as a maintainer, have any specific plans for this library? 1. "New citation syntax" is concerned with ORG SYNTAX 2. oc.el is concerned with EDITING org files. 3. ox-jabref.el (and others) is concerned with DOCUMENT CREATION. It seems like your plan is to put 1, 2 & 3 ALL TOGETHER in trunk. i.e., ALL or NONE. How about making (1) a configurable option -- disabled by default -- and moving it to trunk? I believe the answer depends MORE on how "stable" you think the new citation syntax is (in so far as it is implemented) and LESS on whether the whole ecosystem is in place. Just checking one last time, before I shut up ... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-17 19:08 ` Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-17 8:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2015-05-17 20:46 ` Vaidheeswaran C 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-05-17 8:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Vaidheeswaran C; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com> writes: > 1. "New citation syntax" is concerned with ORG SYNTAX > > 2. oc.el is concerned with EDITING org files. > > 3. ox-jabref.el (and others) is concerned with DOCUMENT CREATION. True. > It seems like your plan is to put 1, 2 & 3 ALL TOGETHER in > trunk. i.e., ALL or NONE. Correct. Org syntax is expected to be supported out of the box. > How about making (1) a configurable option -- disabled by default -- > and moving it to trunk? I don't want syntax to be configurable. > I believe the answer depends MORE on how "stable" you think the new > citation syntax is (in so far as it is implemented) and LESS on > whether the whole ecosystem is in place. We can add oc-jabref (not ox-jabref, which is reserved for export back-ends) in a branch and have some users test it. This is the only way to know if the syntax is sufficient. WDYT? Regards, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-17 8:18 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-05-17 20:46 ` Vaidheeswaran C 2015-05-17 9:37 ` Rasmus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-17 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Sunday 17 May 2015 01:48 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: >> How about making (1) a configurable option -- disabled by default -- >> > and moving it to trunk? > I don't want syntax to be configurable. Ok. >> > I believe the answer depends MORE on how "stable" you think the new >> > citation syntax is (in so far as it is implemented) and LESS on >> > whether the whole ecosystem is in place. > We can add oc-jabref (not ox-jabref, which is reserved for export > back-ends) in a branch and have some users test it. This is the only way > to know if the syntax is sufficient. > > WDYT? I will rename the module as you suggest. I would also like to polish a few more things. Unlike other contrib modules, I want this module to be changed only by FSF-approved authors so that I can put it on GNU ELPA. (My future assignment is through, so the route is clear.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- While we are on this... I would like to submit some patches to ox-odt.el. I have plenty of local changes (that were made on a older version of trunk). As part of preparation for submitting my changes to Org repo, 1. I have reverted patches applied to the trunk since my change. 2. Applied my patches to (1). 3. Re-play (1) on top of 3. Since my dis-appearance couple of months ago, there have been more changes to ox-odt.el (which I need to replay again). Here is a snapshot of my workarea: http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode/org-cv.git/shortlog. Step (1) above corresponds to this commit. (http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode/org-cv.git/commit/739ddc3b27a5a2f0b05b576f671069c868835a21) a) I haven't updated the ODT nodes of Info manual. I would prefer to update the manual AFTER the merge of elisp code. b) Bugs if any introduced by my merge are going to be minor and IMHO, they could be taken up AFTER the merge. I hope the above arrangement for merging my changes is agreeable to the maintainers. (Let me know what you think) This message is more of a heads-up. I will let you know once I am done with (3). Meanwhile, I would encourage the current ODT exporter users to try out my new private repo and report any issues. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-17 20:46 ` Vaidheeswaran C @ 2015-05-17 9:37 ` Rasmus 2015-05-20 6:23 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Rasmus @ 2015-05-17 9:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi, Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com> writes: > (My future assignment is through, so the route is clear.) Can you clarify on this? My understanding was that it was retracted a while back under much fuss. > I hope the above arrangement for merging my changes is agreeable to > the maintainers. (Let me know what you think) Copyright assignment AND good behavior towards all users, developers and maintainers of Org is all that is asked. —Rasmus -- . . . It begins of course with The Internet. A Net of Peers ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: New Citation syntax on the master branch? 2015-05-17 9:37 ` Rasmus @ 2015-05-20 6:23 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2015-05-20 6:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rasmus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Vaidheeswaran/Jambunathan, Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes: >> (My future assignment is through, so the route is clear.) > > Can you clarify on this? My understanding was that it was retracted a > while back under much fuss. This is also my understanding. If I'm wrong, I'll happily stand corrected and we will be allowed to integrate your patches into org-mode's core code. Also, we need to know under what identity you want to file your change: "Jambunathan" or "Vaidheeswaran"? Thanks, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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