* Exporter question @ 2013-02-11 12:52 Dominik, Carsten 2013-02-12 19:46 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Dominik, Carsten @ 2013-02-11 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List Hi, In a file with some time stamps in headlines, is it still possible to get rid of them only for the Table of Contents, but to leave them in the headlines themselves? Thanks - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-11 12:52 Exporter question Dominik, Carsten @ 2013-02-12 19:46 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-12 20:00 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-12 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dominik, Carsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List Hello, "Dominik, Carsten" <C.Dominik@uva.nl> writes: > In a file with some time stamps in headlines, is it still possible to > get rid of them only for the Table of Contents, but to leave them in > the headlines themselves? Good question. You can probably use filters, but it isn't a trivial task, depending on the back-end. How did you do it in the previous exporter? Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-12 19:46 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-12 20:00 ` Carsten Dominik 2013-02-12 22:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-02-12 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten On 12.2.2013, at 20:46, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > "Dominik, Carsten" <C.Dominik@uva.nl> writes: > >> In a file with some time stamps in headlines, is it still possible to >> get rid of them only for the Table of Contents, but to leave them in >> the headlines themselves? > > Good question. You can probably use filters, but it isn't a trivial > task, depending on the back-end. I have now succeeded using CSS, but this is for HTML only, of course. > > How did you do it in the previous exporter? There used to be a variable org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc, and a function org-export-cleanup-toc-line which provided this functionality. It is actually somewhat useful functionality. It there a filter that is applied only to toc lines? Regards - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-12 20:00 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2013-02-12 22:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-12 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > There used to be a variable org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc, and > a function org-export-cleanup-toc-line which provided this > functionality. It is actually somewhat useful functionality. It there > a filter that is applied only to toc lines? Not a dedicated filter. But you can use `final-filter', which is applied to the whole output. Anyway, I add this feature on my TODO list. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-12 20:00 ` Carsten Dominik 2013-02-12 22:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 9:15 ` Bastien 2013-02-24 10:48 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten Hello, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > On 12.2.2013, at 20:46, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> "Dominik, Carsten" <C.Dominik@uva.nl> writes: >> >>> In a file with some time stamps in headlines, is it still possible to >>> get rid of them only for the Table of Contents, but to leave them in >>> the headlines themselves? >> >> Good question. You can probably use filters, but it isn't a trivial >> task, depending on the back-end. > > I have now succeeded using CSS, but this is for HTML only, of course. > > >> >> How did you do it in the previous exporter? > > > There used to be a variable org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc, and > a function org-export-cleanup-toc-line which provided this > functionality. It is actually somewhat useful functionality. It there > a filter that is applied only to toc lines? Now, almost all back-ends providing a TOC functionality allow to add :OPTIONAL_TITLE: property in an headline to set its corresponding entry in the table of contents. Do you think it's still necessary to provide an equivalent for `org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc'? It's only a matter of copying the headline title in the property, without timestamp. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 9:15 ` Bastien 2013-02-24 9:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 10:48 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2013-02-24 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes: > Now, almost all back-ends providing a TOC functionality allow to > add :OPTIONAL_TITLE: property in an headline to set its corresponding > entry in the table of contents. Thanks for implementing this! > Do you think it's still necessary to provide an equivalent for > `org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc'? It's only a matter of copying > the headline title in the property, without timestamp. org-html|latex-format-headline-function allow these arguments: TODO the todo keyword (string or nil). TODO-TYPE the type of todo (symbol: `todo', `done', nil) PRIORITY the priority of the headline (integer or nil) TEXT the main headline text (string). TAGS the tags as a list of strings (list of strings or nil). Why not having another TRIM-REGEXP argument to selectively trim the content matched by a regexp against TEXT? `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc', if nil, would use this arg; but users could remove anything from the headlines (and the TOC), not just from the TOC. And `org-export-with-timestamps' could be set to 'from-toc or 'from-headline. And we could extend `org-export-with-tags' similarily. (I think `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc' is better than `org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc' because `org-export-with' is more widely used for the same purposes.) Just a suggestion for combining backward compatibility and adding some flexibility thanks for the new engine. Let me know what you think, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 9:15 ` Bastien @ 2013-02-24 9:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 9:50 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 9:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: >> Do you think it's still necessary to provide an equivalent for >> `org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc'? It's only a matter of copying >> the headline title in the property, without timestamp. > > org-html|latex-format-headline-function allow these arguments: > > TODO the todo keyword (string or nil). > TODO-TYPE the type of todo (symbol: `todo', `done', nil) > PRIORITY the priority of the headline (integer or nil) > TEXT the main headline text (string). > TAGS the tags as a list of strings (list of strings or nil). > > Why not having another TRIM-REGEXP argument to selectively trim > the content matched by a regexp against TEXT? Because it would have to mach TEXT against destination code, so it would be fragile (i.e. if you modify how timestamps are transcoded, you have to modify this regexp accordingly). If it has to be implemented, it's far easier to remove objects from parsed data (e.g. in `org-export-get-optional-title'). > `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc', if nil, would use this arg; > but users could remove anything from the headlines (and the TOC), > not just from the TOC. > > And `org-export-with-timestamps' could be set to 'from-toc or > 'from-headline. And we could extend `org-export-with-tags' > similarily. > > (I think `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc' is better than > `org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc' because `org-export-with' > is more widely used for the same purposes.) > > Just a suggestion for combining backward compatibility and adding > some flexibility thanks for the new engine. I have a patch ready with `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc' variable, but as I was writing it, I realized it might not be necessary to apply it. I'd like to avoid over-engineering as much as possible, hence the question. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 9:31 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 9:50 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2013-02-24 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes: > If it has to be implemented, it's far easier to remove objects from > parsed data (e.g. in `org-export-get-optional-title'). Got it, thanks. >> `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc', if nil, would use this arg; >> but users could remove anything from the headlines (and the TOC), >> not just from the TOC. >> >> And `org-export-with-timestamps' could be set to 'from-toc or >> 'from-headline. And we could extend `org-export-with-tags' >> similarily. >> >> (I think `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc' is better than >> `org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc' because `org-export-with' >> is more widely used for the same purposes.) >> >> Just a suggestion for combining backward compatibility and adding >> some flexibility thanks for the new engine. > > I have a patch ready with `org-export-with-timestamps-in-toc' variable, > but as I was writing it, I realized it might not be necessary to apply > it. I'd like to avoid over-engineering as much as possible, hence the > question. My concern is this: it would be nice to provide a simple way to get rid of _anything_ (user defined) in headlines and TOC titles. Actually, the org-export-with-* family contains two categories of variables: those who are relevant for anything in the buffer, those who are relevant for the headlines only. Like these ones: org-export-with-priority org-export-with-statistics-cookies org-export-with-todo-keywords org-export-with-tags org-export-with-section-numbers I set aside the last one, which does not impact the text of the headline itself, but the way it looks in the target format. My suggestion is to get rid of these four headlines-only org-export-with-* variable, and to replace them with org-export-headline-format org-export-headline-in-toc-format with formatters to tell whether to include the TODO keyword, the tags, the priority cookie, the statistics cookie, the headline text, etc. And two generic options org-export-headline-trim-regexp org-export-headline-in-toc-trim-regexp which the user can set to whatever he wants. I think a formatting string for the headline is good as it is quite intuitive for a vast majority of users. And the -trim-regexp options would be flexible enough to remove anything from the headlines. Please *don't* implement this :) I just need your gut feeling about org-export-headline-format as a formatting string, and if you think it might be a good idea, I'm willing to help implementing it (as I know it will change quite a lot of things in the machinery.) Thanks, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 8:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 9:15 ` Bastien @ 2013-02-24 10:48 ` Carsten Dominik 2013-02-24 14:00 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 19:01 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-02-24 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten Hi Nicolas, I am curious why you chose the name "optional_title" for the property? Why not, for example "TOC_TITLE" or something like this? - Carsten On 24.2.2013, at 09:55, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > >> On 12.2.2013, at 20:46, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> "Dominik, Carsten" <C.Dominik@uva.nl> writes: >>> >>>> In a file with some time stamps in headlines, is it still possible to >>>> get rid of them only for the Table of Contents, but to leave them in >>>> the headlines themselves? >>> >>> Good question. You can probably use filters, but it isn't a trivial >>> task, depending on the back-end. >> >> I have now succeeded using CSS, but this is for HTML only, of course. >> >> >>> >>> How did you do it in the previous exporter? >> >> >> There used to be a variable org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc, and >> a function org-export-cleanup-toc-line which provided this >> functionality. It is actually somewhat useful functionality. It there >> a filter that is applied only to toc lines? > > Now, almost all back-ends providing a TOC functionality allow to > add :OPTIONAL_TITLE: property in an headline to set its corresponding > entry in the table of contents. > > Do you think it's still necessary to provide an equivalent for > `org-export-remove-timestamps-from-toc'? It's only a matter of copying > the headline title in the property, without timestamp. > > > Regards, > > -- > Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 10:48 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2013-02-24 14:00 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-24 14:02 ` Carsten Dominik 2013-02-24 19:01 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > I am curious why you chose the name "optional_title" for the property? > Why not, for example "TOC_TITLE" or something like this? See http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/62694 I don't mind changing the name of the property, if needed. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 14:00 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 14:02 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-02-24 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten On 24.2.2013, at 15:00, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote: > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > >> I am curious why you chose the name "optional_title" for the property? >> Why not, for example "TOC_TITLE" or something like this? > > See http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/62694 Ah, I see. Indeed, there are more uses for such a title than just the toc, so I think I agree with Tom. - Carsten > > I don't mind changing the name of the property, if needed. > > > Regards, > > -- > Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 10:48 ` Carsten Dominik 2013-02-24 14:00 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-24 19:01 ` Bastien 2013-02-25 15:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2013-02-24 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Nicolas Goaziou, Dominik, Carsten Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > I am curious why you chose the name "optional_title" for the > property? Why not, for example "TOC_TITLE" or something like this? I suggest EXPORT_ALT_TITLE instead. The EXPORT_ prefix seems more consistent with EXPORT_TITLE, and ALT sounds clearer (and short enough) to me. (I first thought TITLE was a bit confusing: IIRC, EXPORT_TITLE was first introduced for replacing the real title of the doc when exporting only one subtree... but "the title of a headline" is okay, so let's stick to TITLE.) -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-24 19:01 ` Bastien @ 2013-02-25 15:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-26 13:46 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-25 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik Hello, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > >> I am curious why you chose the name "optional_title" for the >> property? Why not, for example "TOC_TITLE" or something like this? > > I suggest EXPORT_ALT_TITLE instead. > > The EXPORT_ prefix seems more consistent with EXPORT_TITLE, > and ALT sounds clearer (and short enough) to me. Has it to be an export only property? I mean, it could be used in a library like org-toc.el. Also EXPORT_KEYWORD prefix is mostly used when there is a global #+KEYWORD: available. There is no #+ALT_TITLE: (yet?). So, what about ALT_TITLE instead? Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-25 15:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-26 13:46 ` Bastien 2013-02-26 19:43 ` Aaron Ecay 2013-02-26 23:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2013-02-26 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes: > Has it to be an export only property? I mean, it could be used in > a library like org-toc.el. (Er.. org-toc.el should be trashed, it's 99% obsolete.) > Also EXPORT_KEYWORD prefix is mostly used when there is a global > #+KEYWORD: available. There is no #+ALT_TITLE: (yet?). > > So, what about ALT_TITLE instead? I like it better, yes. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-26 13:46 ` Bastien @ 2013-02-26 19:43 ` Aaron Ecay 2013-02-27 18:06 ` Eric S Fraga 2013-02-26 23:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Aaron Ecay @ 2013-02-26 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien, Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik 2013ko otsailak 26an, Bastien-ek idatzi zuen: > (Er.. org-toc.el should be trashed, it's 99% obsolete.) It is? I like its functionality and don’t know of any replacement... -- Aaron Ecay ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-26 19:43 ` Aaron Ecay @ 2013-02-27 18:06 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2013-02-27 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Ecay; +Cc: Emacs Org mode mailing list Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com> writes: > 2013ko otsailak 26an, Bastien-ek idatzi zuen: >> (Er.. org-toc.el should be trashed, it's 99% obsolete.) > > It is? I like its functionality and don’t know of any replacement... You could try speedbar instead which might give you most (some? definitely no column views in speedbar) of the functionality? Depends on what you used, of course. Speedbar understands org structure (headline based trees). There's always org-goto (C-c C-j, which I think means the command should have been org-jump but there you are...) as well. -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.3.50.1 and Org release_7.9.3f-1285-g6cc600 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-26 13:46 ` Bastien 2013-02-26 19:43 ` Aaron Ecay @ 2013-02-26 23:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2013-02-27 8:53 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-26 23:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik Hello, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > Hi Nicolas, > > Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes: > >> Has it to be an export only property? I mean, it could be used in >> a library like org-toc.el. > > (Er.. org-toc.el should be trashed, it's 99% obsolete.) > >> Also EXPORT_KEYWORD prefix is mostly used when there is a global >> #+KEYWORD: available. There is no #+ALT_TITLE: (yet?). >> >> So, what about ALT_TITLE instead? > > I like it better, yes. Done. Node property is ALT_TITLE and function is `org-export-get-alt-title'. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Exporter question 2013-02-26 23:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2013-02-27 8:53 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2013-02-27 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List, Dominik, Carsten, Carsten Dominik Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes: > Done. > > Node property is ALT_TITLE and function is > `org-export-get-alt-title'. Thanks! -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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