* [OT] Gnus mail tutorial?
@ 2013-05-24 23:00 Marcin Borkowski
2013-05-24 23:27 ` John Hendy
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2013-05-24 23:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-mode mailing list
Hi list,
sorry for an off-topic question, but I'm sure someone here will be
able to help me with this: I'm thinking about using Emacs as my email
client, and I'm considering using Gnus for that. The Gnus manual is a
bit intimidating; is there any newbie-friendly tutorial which might help
get me started, taking into account that I do /not/ want to use Gmail,
but another (IMAP-aware) mail service?
Regards,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Adam Mickiewicz University
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-24 23:00 [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? Marcin Borkowski @ 2013-05-24 23:27 ` John Hendy 2013-05-25 6:43 ` Eric Schulte 2013-05-25 5:50 ` Jacek Generowicz 2013-05-25 7:09 ` Glyn Millington 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: John Hendy @ 2013-05-24 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 822 bytes --] On May 24, 2013 6:01 PM, "Marcin Borkowski" <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> wrote: > > Hi list, > > sorry for an off-topic question, but I'm sure someone here will be > able to help me with this: I'm thinking about using Emacs as my email > client, and I'm considering using Gnus for that. The Gnus manual is a > bit intimidating; is there any newbie-friendly tutorial which might help > get me started, taking into account that I do /not/ want to use Gmail, > but another (IMAP-aware) mail service? > Seconded. I tried following the tutorials that *do* exist once and just gave up. Something tried and known to work and be complete would be awesome. and I know there's a lot of gnus users on the list :) John > Regards, > > -- > Marcin Borkowski > http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski > Adam Mickiewicz University > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1172 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-24 23:27 ` John Hendy @ 2013-05-25 6:43 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2013-05-25 6:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Hendy; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Marcin Borkowski John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes: > On May 24, 2013 6:01 PM, "Marcin Borkowski" <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> wrote: >> >> Hi list, >> >> sorry for an off-topic question, but I'm sure someone here will be >> able to help me with this: I'm thinking about using Emacs as my email >> client, and I'm considering using Gnus for that. The Gnus manual is a >> bit intimidating; is there any newbie-friendly tutorial which might help >> get me started, taking into account that I do /not/ want to use Gmail, >> but another (IMAP-aware) mail service? >> > > Seconded. I tried following the tutorials that *do* exist once and just > gave up. Something tried and known to work and be complete would be > awesome. and I know there's a lot of gnus users on the list :) > I know the OP explicitly does not want to use gmail, however this gmail solution is *very* concise and should be easily adapted to work with a non-gmail imap service. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail#toc2 Just replace the gmail urls and ports with those of the service you want to use. Also, note that in blocks like the following (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "gmail" (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com") (nnimap-server-port 993) (nnimap-stream ssl))) in the 'nnimap "gmail"' portion the "gmail" is just a name, not something special, and it can be replaced with any arbitrary string. The starter-kit-gnus page of my starter kit may be helpful, however, it doesn't provide much new information beyond that available at the previous emacs wiki page. http://eschulte.github.io/emacs24-starter-kit/starter-kit-gnus.html https://raw.github.com/eschulte/emacs24-starter-kit/master/starter-kit-gnus.org Hope this helps, > > John > >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Marcin Borkowski >> http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski >> Adam Mickiewicz University >> -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-24 23:00 [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? Marcin Borkowski 2013-05-24 23:27 ` John Hendy @ 2013-05-25 5:50 ` Jacek Generowicz 2013-05-25 22:29 ` Richard Lawrence 2013-05-25 7:09 ` Glyn Millington 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Jacek Generowicz @ 2013-05-25 5:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: Org-mode mailing list Marcin Borkowski writes: > I'm thinking about using Emacs as my email client, and I'm considering > using Gnus for that. If it is Emacs rather than Gnus itself that attracts you, then you might consider notmuch or mu4e. Both have a Xapian-based core, and include an Emacs interface. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-25 5:50 ` Jacek Generowicz @ 2013-05-25 22:29 ` Richard Lawrence 2013-05-25 23:40 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-05-26 18:15 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Richard Lawrence @ 2013-05-25 22:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Jacek Generowicz <jacek.generowicz@cern.ch> writes: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> I'm thinking about using Emacs as my email client, and I'm considering >> using Gnus for that. > > If it is Emacs rather than Gnus itself that attracts you, then you might > consider notmuch or mu4e. Both have a Xapian-based core, and include an > Emacs interface. +1. I used Gnus with an IMAP account for a while, but found that (in addition to being intimidating and complicated) it was annoyingly slow. I did write a brief tutorial about getting it set up, which you may or may not find useful; it's at [1]. I still use Gnus to read news (e.g., this list, via Gmane), which is much simpler to set up, and pretty handy. After abandoning Gnus for mail, but wishing to remain in Emacs, I tried nmh with MH-E as a front end. I liked MH-E well enough, but the big problem was that I couldn't find any program to sync mail in both directions from MH directories, and I want a local copy of my mail on multiple machines which reflects the state on the IMAP server. So, long story short, I have now switched to using offlineimap to sync over IMAP with a Maildir. This keeps my mail locally available but also in sync across multiple machines. I read this Maildir in mutt, not Gnus, because I read nasty things on the Internet about how Gnus' Maildir implementation really stinks (e.g., it uses its own tagging system instead of the standard Maildir flags, and it eats up inodes on your filesystem like crazy). I use notmuch to index it, and notmuch-mode in Emacs to search it. I have my mutt editor set to emacsclient. It ain't perfect, by any means (and if anyone has suggestions on a better setup, I'd love to hear them), but it works for me. [1] http://whereofwecannotspeak.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/getting-gnus-to-read-mail-over-imap/ -- Best, Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-25 22:29 ` Richard Lawrence @ 2013-05-25 23:40 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-05-26 18:15 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-05-25 23:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 03:29:03PM -0700, Richard Lawrence wrote: > > So, long story short, I have now switched to using offlineimap to sync > over IMAP with a Maildir. This keeps my mail locally available but also > in sync across multiple machines. I read this Maildir in mutt, not > Gnus, because I read nasty things on the Internet about how Gnus' > Maildir implementation really stinks (e.g., it uses its own tagging > system instead of the standard Maildir flags, and it eats up inodes on > your filesystem like crazy). I use notmuch to index it, and > notmuch-mode in Emacs to search it. I have my mutt editor set to > emacsclient. I use this mutt fork instead of mutt. <https://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz> -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-25 22:29 ` Richard Lawrence 2013-05-25 23:40 ` Suvayu Ali @ 2013-05-26 18:15 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2013-05-26 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode >>>>> Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu>: > I used Gnus with an IMAP account for a while, but found that (in > addition to being intimidating and complicated) it was annoyingly slow. FWIW nnimap was rewritten a couple of years back, and on an IMAP server that supports QRESYNC (eg. dovecot), it is quite fast these days. I also think, but I don't know for sure, that if you start up gnus without any config, it will ask for a server. And if you give nnimap as the method, and if you give the DNS name of the server running the IMAP server, and if that server is running on port 143, then things should more or less work. All of the folders on the IMAP server will appear as nnimap groups. But I could be wrong...:-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-24 23:00 [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? Marcin Borkowski 2013-05-24 23:27 ` John Hendy 2013-05-25 5:50 ` Jacek Generowicz @ 2013-05-25 7:09 ` Glyn Millington 2013-05-25 7:32 ` Alan Schmitt 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Glyn Millington @ 2013-05-25 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > Hi list, > > sorry for an off-topic question, but I'm sure someone here will be > able to help me with this: I'm thinking about using Emacs as my email > client, and I'm considering using Gnus for that. The Gnus manual is a > bit intimidating; is there any newbie-friendly tutorial which might > help get me started, taking into account that I do /not/ want to use > Gmail, but another (IMAP-aware) mail service? Hi Marcin, For me Gnus is the gold standard among mail/news clients. It can be hard work to set it up but it is worth it. Alas, some good resources have actually vanished from the web over the years. Sacha Chua describes a very basic set up for IMAP here: http://sachachua.com/blog/2008/05/geek-how-to-use-offlineimap-and-the-dovecot-mail-server-to-read-your-gmail-in-emacs-efficiently/ If you are not running /Sendmail/Postfix/Exim etc you may find this page helpful http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SendingMail There are of course several Gnus mailing lists/newsgroups. Good luck! Glyn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-25 7:09 ` Glyn Millington @ 2013-05-25 7:32 ` Alan Schmitt 2013-05-25 9:21 ` Rémi Vanicat 2013-05-25 22:24 ` Rasmus 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Alan Schmitt @ 2013-05-25 7:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: glyn.millington; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Glyn Millington writes: > For me Gnus is the gold standard among mail/news clients. It can be hard > work to set it up but it is worth it. Alas, some good resources have > actually vanished from the web over the years. Can Gnus be directly used with local mail in maildir format? If so, one could easily switch between clients. Alan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-25 7:32 ` Alan Schmitt @ 2013-05-25 9:21 ` Rémi Vanicat 2013-05-25 22:24 ` Rasmus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Rémi Vanicat @ 2013-05-25 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org> writes: > Glyn Millington writes: > >> For me Gnus is the gold standard among mail/news clients. It can be hard >> work to set it up but it is worth it. Alas, some good resources have >> actually vanished from the web over the years. > > Can Gnus be directly used with local mail in maildir format? If so, one > could easily switch between clients. The bigger bugs for me in gnus is its inferior maildir support: it fail to properly mark mail as read, it use its own meta-data file that can cause problem to other mail client.... Hence the configs (as Sacha Chua does) where one use dovecot to read maildir, letting gnus to connect to dovecot instead of reading maildir directly. -- Rémi Vanicat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Gnus mail tutorial? 2013-05-25 7:32 ` Alan Schmitt 2013-05-25 9:21 ` Rémi Vanicat @ 2013-05-25 22:24 ` Rasmus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Rasmus @ 2013-05-25 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org> writes: > Glyn Millington writes: > >> For me Gnus is the gold standard among mail/news clients. It can be hard >> work to set it up but it is worth it. Alas, some good resources have >> actually vanished from the web over the years. > > Can Gnus be directly used with local mail in maildir format? Yes. They say it's better these days. Whether it's true I don't know. I use dovecot. For the record, this is what I use: (setq rasmus/imap-method `(nnimap "mail" (nnimap-stream shell) (nnimap-shell-program "MAIL=maildir:$HOME/mail /usr/lib/dovecot/imap"))) (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml "")) ;; good for offline (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods rasmus/imap-method) (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp "gmane" (nntp-address "news.gmane.org"))) (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp "gwene" (nntp-address "news.gwene.org"))) In my dovecot.conf (v2+) I have the following; I don't know if it's important. mail_location = maildir:~/mail:LAYOUT=fs passdb {driver = pam} ssl = no userdb {driver = passwd} –Rasmus -- May the Force be with you ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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