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* org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)
@ 2020-05-27 20:40 Uwe Brauer
  2020-05-28  6:06 ` tbanelwebmin
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From: Uwe Brauer @ 2020-05-27 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi


I have a org table and want to add a new colum, which natural numbers
which are randomly ordered 

So I tried 

#+TBLFM: $1=@#-1::$4=random($1@4);f1

But the column contains real numbers

What can I do

Uwe Brauer 



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* Re: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)
  2020-05-27 20:40 org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones) Uwe Brauer
@ 2020-05-28  6:06 ` tbanelwebmin
  2020-05-28 18:25   ` Uwe Brauer
  2020-05-28  7:54 ` org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones) Eric S Fraga
  2020-05-28  7:56 ` Eric S Fraga
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: tbanelwebmin @ 2020-05-28  6:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Le 27/05/2020 à 22:40, Uwe Brauer a écrit :

> Hi
>
>
> I have a org table and want to add a new colum, which natural numbers
> which are randomly ordered 
>
> So I tried 
>
> #+TBLFM: $1=@#-1::$4=random($1@4);f1
>
> But the column contains real numbers
>
> What can I do
>
> Uwe Brauer 
>
>
What about:
#+TBLFM: $4=random($1);f0

In row 67 you would have a random integer in the range [0..67)
f0 format removes any fractional part leaving only an integer number



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* Re: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)
  2020-05-27 20:40 org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones) Uwe Brauer
  2020-05-28  6:06 ` tbanelwebmin
@ 2020-05-28  7:54 ` Eric S Fraga
  2020-05-28  7:56 ` Eric S Fraga
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2020-05-28  7:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

On Wednesday, 27 May 2020 at 22:40, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> I have a org table and want to add a new colum, which natural numbers
> which are randomly ordered 

Something like 

#+TBLFM: $1=floor(100*random(0.1))

I don't know what argument you want to pass to random(), especially as
you had $1@4 which seems wrong?

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.3.6-640-g9bc0cc


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* Re: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)
  2020-05-27 20:40 org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones) Uwe Brauer
  2020-05-28  6:06 ` tbanelwebmin
  2020-05-28  7:54 ` org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones) Eric S Fraga
@ 2020-05-28  7:56 ` Eric S Fraga
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2020-05-28  7:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Ignore previous reply.  I misread your email.  Too early in the morning
for me.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.3.6-640-g9bc0cc


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* Re: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)
  2020-05-28  6:06 ` tbanelwebmin
@ 2020-05-28 18:25   ` Uwe Brauer
  2020-05-28 20:26     ` Stig Brautaset
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Brauer @ 2020-05-28 18:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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   > Le 27/05/2020 à 22:40, Uwe Brauer a écrit :
   > What about:

   > #+TBLFM: $4=random($1);f0

   > In row 67 you would have a random integer in the range [0..67)
   > f0 format removes any fractional part leaving only an integer number

Aha thanks, a minor thing, which I thank, cannot be really done:

Is it possible to avoid number repetition?
So I want a random sequence of the column 67 but I don't want numbers to
be repeated.

Regards

Uwe 



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* Re: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)
  2020-05-28 18:25   ` Uwe Brauer
@ 2020-05-28 20:26     ` Stig Brautaset
  2020-05-29 11:19       ` [random sorting] (was: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)) Uwe Brauer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Stig Brautaset @ 2020-05-28 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Uwe Brauer, emacs-orgmode

>    > In row 67 you would have a random integer in the range [0..67)
>    > f0 format removes any fractional part leaving only an integer number
>
> Aha thanks, a minor thing, which I thank, cannot be really done:
>
> Is it possible to avoid number repetition?
>
> So I want a random sequence of the column 67 but I don't want numbers to
> be repeated.

To avoid duplicates you could generate a sequence from [0..67), shuffle
it[1], then use the row number as an index into that list. (Or pop off the
front.) How to do that from an org table function I have no idea,
however.

[1]: Emacs lisp "Knuth shuffle" implementation: https://stackoverflow.com/a/49505968/5950

Regards,
Stig



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* [random sorting] (was: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones))
  2020-05-28 20:26     ` Stig Brautaset
@ 2020-05-29 11:19       ` Uwe Brauer
  2020-05-29 11:43         ` [random sorting] Eric S Fraga
  2020-05-29 16:52         ` [random sorting] (was: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)) Stig Brautaset
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Brauer @ 2020-05-29 11:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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>>> "SB" == Stig Brautaset <stig@brautaset.org> writes:

   >> > In row 67 you would have a random integer in the range [0..67)
   >> > f0 format removes any fractional part leaving only an integer number
   >> 
   >> Aha thanks, a minor thing, which I thank, cannot be really done:
   >> 
   >> Is it possible to avoid number repetition?
   >> 
   >> So I want a random sequence of the column 67 but I don't want numbers to
   >> be repeated.

   > To avoid duplicates you could generate a sequence from [0..67), shuffle
   > it[1], then use the row number as an index into that list. (Or pop off the
   > front.) How to do that from an org table function I have no idea,
   > however.

Thanks I tried in a row of 33
$5=random([0..34]);f0
$5=random([0..34));f0
$5=random([0..33));f0

But random repeats, however org-table-sort-lines sorts anyway
And what I truly needed is a random sorting of sorts.

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* Re: [random sorting]
  2020-05-29 11:19       ` [random sorting] (was: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)) Uwe Brauer
@ 2020-05-29 11:43         ` Eric S Fraga
  2020-05-29 16:52         ` [random sorting] (was: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)) Stig Brautaset
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2020-05-29 11:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

On Friday, 29 May 2020 at 13:19, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> But random repeats, however org-table-sort-lines sorts anyway
> And what I truly needed is a random sorting of sorts.

(now that I am awake... ;-))

What you want is a "permutation" vector.  Calc does appear to have some
support for permutation vectors but I'm not sure it has what you need to
create a random permutation.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.3.6-640-g9bc0cc


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* Re: [random sorting] (was: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones))
  2020-05-29 11:19       ` [random sorting] (was: org table: one column of random numbers (but natural ones)) Uwe Brauer
  2020-05-29 11:43         ` [random sorting] Eric S Fraga
@ 2020-05-29 16:52         ` Stig Brautaset
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Stig Brautaset @ 2020-05-29 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Uwe Brauer, emacs-orgmode

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

>>>> "SB" == Stig Brautaset <stig@brautaset.org> writes:
>
>    >> > In row 67 you would have a random integer in the range [0..67)
>    >> > f0 format removes any fractional part leaving only an integer number
>    >> 
>    >> Aha thanks, a minor thing, which I thank, cannot be really done:
>    >> 
>    >> Is it possible to avoid number repetition?
>    >> 
>    >> So I want a random sequence of the column 67 but I don't want numbers to
>    >> be repeated.
>
>    > To avoid duplicates you could generate a sequence from [0..67), shuffle
>    > it[1], then use the row number as an index into that list. (Or pop off the
>    > front.) How to do that from an org table function I have no idea,
>    > however.
>
> Thanks I tried in a row of 33
> $5=random([0..34]);f0
> $5=random([0..34));f0
> $5=random([0..33));f0
>
> But random repeats, however org-table-sort-lines sorts anyway
> And what I truly needed is a random sorting of sorts.

Right, I think I failed to make myself understood so here's an example
of what I had in mind. It's not convenient to use (need to execute
a source code block) but hopefully what I mean is a bit clearer, and
someone can clean it up a little :-)

First we need to generate a randomised sequence of unique integer in a
range, using the Knuth shuffle I pointed to earlier. Every time you run
tihs you get a new sequence. I've kept the output more to verify that
the results have unique output, as the table formula later will read
from the lisp variable, IIUC.

#+name: random-seq
#+begin_src emacs-lisp :var length=10 :results list
(defun nshuffle (sequence)
  (loop for i from (length sequence) downto 2
        do (rotatef (elt sequence (random i))
                    (elt sequence (1- i))))
  sequence)

(setq random-seq (nshuffle (number-sequence 0 (1- length))))
#+end_src

#+RESULTS: random-seq
- 5
- 9
- 6
- 0
- 7
- 8
- 3
- 2
- 1
- 4

And now for the table that uses the variable. As we compute the
randomised sequence ahead of time for each invocation of the column
formula, and we can use each row number as an index into the sequence to
assign a unique, randomised integer from a range to each column.

| 0 | 5 |
| 1 | 9 |
| 2 | 6 |
| 3 | 0 |
| 4 | 7 |
| 5 | 8 |
| 6 | 3 |
| 7 | 2 |
| 8 | 1 |
| 9 | 4 |
#+TBLFM: $2='(nth (string-to-number $1) random-seq)


Possible improvements (that I don't think I'm up to making):

1. Don't require the column of indices to use as index into the sequence
2. Show how to do this without having the separate pre-compute step of
   the index (possibly with memoizing a sequence on first use?)

Hope this helps!

Regards,

Stig


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2020-05-28 20:26     ` Stig Brautaset
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