* including emphasis characters as word characters?
@ 2012-11-21 5:19 Eric Abrahamsen
2012-11-21 13:46 ` Suvayu Ali
2012-12-22 23:30 ` Bastien
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From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-11-21 5:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Would it make sense to add the markup characters (ie, the car of every
item in `org-emphasis-alist') to the list of word characters, so that as
we're moving/deleting/transposing by word in org, the markup characters
are included? I mean with a sentence like:
#+BEGIN_SRC org
I read a book called /Fortress Besieged/ and it was awful.
#+END_SRC
If point is at end of the sentence, I'd like to be able to hit "M-6 M-b"
and have point end up just before the first slash, then hit "M-2 M-d" and
kill both words plus second slash.
Would this be a bad idea for some reason?
Ta,
Eric
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* Re: including emphasis characters as word characters?
2012-11-21 5:19 including emphasis characters as word characters? Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2012-11-21 13:46 ` Suvayu Ali
2012-11-22 2:10 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-12-22 23:30 ` Bastien
1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Suvayu Ali @ 2012-11-21 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:19:54PM +0800, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
> Would it make sense to add the markup characters (ie, the car of every
> item in `org-emphasis-alist') to the list of word characters, so that as
> we're moving/deleting/transposing by word in org, the markup characters
> are included? I mean with a sentence like:
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC org
> I read a book called /Fortress Besieged/ and it was awful.
> #+END_SRC
>
> If point is at end of the sentence, I'd like to be able to hit "M-6 M-b"
> and have point end up just before the first slash, then hit "M-2 M-d" and
> kill both words plus second slash.
>
> Would this be a bad idea for some reason?
>
IMO unless it can be done conditionally, as in it is not part of a word
when not used as markup, it will be very bad. What about legitimate
uses like:
I am feeling blue / green.
or,
Addition is denoted by the + sign.
...?
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
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* Re: including emphasis characters as word characters?
2012-11-21 13:46 ` Suvayu Ali
@ 2012-11-22 2:10 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-11-22 2:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:19:54PM +0800, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>> Would it make sense to add the markup characters (ie, the car of every
>> item in `org-emphasis-alist') to the list of word characters, so that as
>> we're moving/deleting/transposing by word in org, the markup characters
>> are included? I mean with a sentence like:
>>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC org
>> I read a book called /Fortress Besieged/ and it was awful.
>> #+END_SRC
>>
>> If point is at end of the sentence, I'd like to be able to hit "M-6 M-b"
>> and have point end up just before the first slash, then hit "M-2 M-d" and
>> kill both words plus second slash.
>>
>> Would this be a bad idea for some reason?
>>
>
> IMO unless it can be done conditionally, as in it is not part of a word
> when not used as markup, it will be very bad. What about legitimate
> uses like:
>
> I am feeling blue / green.
>
> or,
>
> Addition is denoted by the + sign.
Interesting! In these cases, actually, I like having the slash and plus
be a one-character "word", I find editing the sentence much more
intuitive. But I did notice that now, `transpose-words' can produce some
ugly results. Before, with point between the two words:
/Fortress Beseiged/ --> /Beseiged Fortress/
Now:
/Beseiged Fortress/ --> Fortress/ /Beseiged
Not so good. Perhaps what I actually want is to give these markup
characters "parenthesis"-type syntax. I'll give that a shot.
Editing preferences are subjective, but I'm also worried this will play
havoc with export/tables/table formulas/source blocks. I'll just run it
for a while and see what breaks.
Thanks for the input.
Eric
FYI, here's what I'm using, in a hook:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun my-emph-to-word ()
(when (eq major-mode 'org-mode)
(mapc (lambda (x)
(modify-syntax-entry (string-to-char (car x)) "w"))
org-emphasis-alist)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
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* Re: including emphasis characters as word characters?
2012-11-21 5:19 including emphasis characters as word characters? Eric Abrahamsen
2012-11-21 13:46 ` Suvayu Ali
@ 2012-12-22 23:30 ` Bastien
2012-12-23 4:14 ` Eric Abrahamsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2012-12-22 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Eric,
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
> Would it make sense to add the markup characters (ie, the car of every
> item in `org-emphasis-alist') to the list of word characters, so that as
> we're moving/deleting/transposing by word in org, the markup characters
> are included? I mean with a sentence like:
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC org
> I read a book called /Fortress Besieged/ and it was awful.
> #+END_SRC
>
> If point is at end of the sentence, I'd like to be able to hit "M-6 M-b"
> and have point end up just before the first slash, then hit "M-2 M-d" and
> kill both words plus second slash.
>
> Would this be a bad idea for some reason?
I think it is a good idea to use a syntax table for these characters,
but not for org-mode in general. So there is now `org-transpose-words'
which uses the new syntax table temporarily.
Thanks for this,
--
Bastien
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* Re: including emphasis characters as word characters?
2012-12-22 23:30 ` Bastien
@ 2012-12-23 4:14 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2012-12-23 4:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> Hi Eric,
>
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> Would it make sense to add the markup characters (ie, the car of every
>> item in `org-emphasis-alist') to the list of word characters, so that as
>> we're moving/deleting/transposing by word in org, the markup characters
>> are included? I mean with a sentence like:
>>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC org
>> I read a book called /Fortress Besieged/ and it was awful.
>> #+END_SRC
>>
>> If point is at end of the sentence, I'd like to be able to hit "M-6 M-b"
>> and have point end up just before the first slash, then hit "M-2 M-d" and
>> kill both words plus second slash.
>>
>> Would this be a bad idea for some reason?
>
> I think it is a good idea to use a syntax table for these characters,
> but not for org-mode in general. So there is now `org-transpose-words'
> which uses the new syntax table temporarily.
Cool!
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