From: torys.anderson@gmail.com (Tory S. Anderson)
To: Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, "Simonyi András" <andras.simonyi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Org citations, CSL and citeproc-el
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 10:02:06 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87608gme7l.fsf@byu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fu7k45a8.fsf@aquinas.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (Richard Lawrence's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2018 08:52:15 -0800")
Just a second on this; it's a fantastic and useful idea.
Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes:
> Dear Simonyi,
>
> Simonyi András <andras.simonyi@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> a few days ago I've released the first public version of
>> citeproc-el (https://github.com/andras-simonyi/citeproc-el), a
>> CSL 1.01 citation processor library for Emacs.
>
> Wow! I don't know if you are aware, but we had discussed the
> possibility of building something like this on the list a few
> years back. At the time it seemed like a lot more work than
> anyone was willing to do, and so the effort stalled. Thanks so
> much for working on this -- it looks like you've done a ton of
> work!
>
>> The resulting link syntax is rather cumbersome so I'd like to
>> ask your opinion about introducing an alternative org-mode
>> citation syntax that handles all of these elements. One option
>> would be to use something very similar to pandoc's citation
>> syntax (which I tried to follow as much as possible in the cite
>> link descriptions of citeproc-orgref).
>
> We had a (very) long discussion about implementing a new
> citation syntax for Org in the spring of 2015. Most of it took
> place in February and March; see:
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2015-02/threads.html
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2015-03/threads.html
>
> And here is how I summarized the state of that discussion in
> June:
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2015-06/msg00426.html
>
> The upshot was that we came to agreement on quite a few points
> about what citation syntax should look like, and those points
> have been implemented in Org syntax in the wip-cite branch of
> the Org repo. (This branch is now long out of date and at the
> very least in need of a rebase onto current master, I suspect.)
> It would be really great to get things moving again. Using your
> code to provide citation processing during Org export for the
> syntax that's already been implemented would be the place to
> start.
>
> There are other aspects of the syntax we agreed on that are not
> implemented yet; as I recall, the idea was to get a minimal
> agreeable subset working, and then add to it based on real-world
> experience and feedback.
>
>> A more general question I'd like to raise how (or whether) you
>> see citeproc-el's (and CSL's) potential place in the org-mode
>> ecosystem. There are a lot of directions which the further
>> development could take (BibLaTeX support, citeproc-YAML
>> bibliographies, CSL editing and CSL extensions etc.) and I'd be
>> grateful to receive your input on which ones I should focus
>> on.
>
> Here's my two cents on this. From what I recall about the
> discussion (it's hard to believe it's already been almost three
> years...), I would focus on two things:
>
> 1) BibLaTeX support. Most Org users who want citation support
> want it primarily for LaTeX export, and BibLaTeX provides a good
> model of what we should try to achieve in Org citation support.
>
> 2) org-bibtex support. Org-bibtex is a library that represents
> citation data via Org's property syntax. Some people use this
> and it would be great to have it integrated with the new
> citation syntax and export. That would provide an end-to-end
> citation solution that is completely native to Org and Emacs.
>
> Again, thanks for jump-starting this effort! I look forward to
> contributing to it this spring.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-05 17:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-05 15:06 Org citations, CSL and citeproc-el Simonyi András
2018-01-05 16:52 ` Richard Lawrence
2018-01-05 17:02 ` Tory S. Anderson [this message]
2018-01-05 17:53 ` Eric S Fraga
2018-01-05 21:57 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-07 11:15 ` András Simonyi
2018-01-10 23:53 ` Richard Lawrence
2018-01-05 17:02 ` Christian Moe
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