* Easy entry of date ranges @ 2015-08-26 17:35 Ken Mankoff 2015-08-26 19:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Ken Mankoff @ 2015-08-26 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Org Mode Hi Org List Org and the calendar make it fairly easy to enter time ranges, by typing "--" and then the end time or "+" and then the duration. I'd like to do something similar for dates, but it doesn't seem to be supported. Is there an easy way to enter a date range for a scheduled task? Thanks, -k. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-26 17:35 Easy entry of date ranges Ken Mankoff @ 2015-08-26 19:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2015-08-26 20:38 ` Ken Mankoff 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-08-26 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ken Mankoff; +Cc: Org Mode Hello, Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: > Org and the calendar make it fairly easy to enter time ranges, by > typing "--" and then the end time or "+" and then the duration. I'd > like to do something similar for dates, but it doesn't seem to be > supported. Is there an easy way to enter a date range for a scheduled > task? I don't think so. However, in Org, scheduling a task to date A means it can start from date A. Scheduling a task to "date A -- date B" would be equivalent to scheduling it to date A. You probably want to do scheduled + deadline, which is supported. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-26 19:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-08-26 20:38 ` Ken Mankoff 2015-08-27 3:46 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Ken Mankoff @ 2015-08-26 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org Mode On 2015-08-26 at 15:04, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote: > Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: > >> Org and the calendar make it fairly easy to enter time ranges, by >> typing "--" and then the end time or "+" and then the duration. I'd >> like to do something similar for dates, but it doesn't seem to be >> supported. Is there an easy way to enter a date range for a scheduled >> task? > > I don't think so. However, in Org, scheduling a task to date A means > it can start from date A. Scheduling a task to "date A -- date B" > would be equivalent to scheduling it to date A. > > You probably want to do scheduled + deadline, which is supported. No, scheduled + deadline is a different use case. The syntax I use, =SCHEDULED: <2020-01-01>--<2020-01-07>=, is valid, there just isn't an easy way to enter it. One (of many) use cases: a week long vacation. This use case is supported by Org since the Agenda helpfully shows "(1/7)", and "(2/7)", etc. before each entry. Everything else is so efficient and has shortcuts, including time ranges, I just hoped I was missing something here. Perhaps it hasn't been implemented yet. -k. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-26 20:38 ` Ken Mankoff @ 2015-08-27 3:46 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-08-27 8:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2015-08-27 9:36 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-08-27 3:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: > On 2015-08-26 at 15:04, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote: >> Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Org and the calendar make it fairly easy to enter time ranges, by >>> typing "--" and then the end time or "+" and then the duration. I'd >>> like to do something similar for dates, but it doesn't seem to be >>> supported. Is there an easy way to enter a date range for a scheduled >>> task? >> >> I don't think so. However, in Org, scheduling a task to date A means >> it can start from date A. Scheduling a task to "date A -- date B" >> would be equivalent to scheduling it to date A. >> >> You probably want to do scheduled + deadline, which is supported. > > No, scheduled + deadline is a different use case. The syntax I use, > =SCHEDULED: <2020-01-01>--<2020-01-07>=, is valid, there just isn't an > easy way to enter it. One (of many) use cases: a week long vacation. > This use case is supported by Org since the Agenda helpfully shows > "(1/7)", and "(2/7)", etc. before each entry. Everything else is so > efficient and has shortcuts, including time ranges, I just hoped I was > missing something here. Perhaps it hasn't been implemented yet. I think what Nicolas means is that, in the sort of use case you're outlining above, you should probably be using a plain timestamp. SCHEDULED means "I'm going to work on this TODO now", in which case a time span doesn't quite make sense -- you start working at the start of the span, and you finish when you toggle the keyword to DONE. For a vacation, a plain timestamp is more appropriate. However! That just begs the question of how to make it easier to enter a date range. That's a question I don't know the answer to -- I suspect there isn't any way but just hitting a couple of hyphens and then "C-c ." again. I suppose Org could help by setting the default date of the end time to something after the start time. Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-27 3:46 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-08-27 8:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou 2015-08-27 9:36 ` Eric S Fraga 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-08-27 8:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: > >> No, scheduled + deadline is a different use case. The syntax I use, >> =SCHEDULED: <2020-01-01>--<2020-01-07>=, is valid, I wouldn't bet on it. I'm sure this can lead to subtle problems. For example, * Test SCHEDULED: <2020-01-01>--<2020-01-07> (org-entry-get (point-min) "SCHEDULED") => <2020-01-01>, i.e, range end information is lost. >>. One (of many) use cases: a week long vacation. >> This use case is supported by Org since the Agenda helpfully shows >> "(1/7)", and "(2/7)", etc. before each entry. Everything else is so >> efficient and has shortcuts, including time ranges, I just hoped I was >> missing something here. Perhaps it hasn't been implemented yet. > > I think what Nicolas means is that, in the sort of use case you're > outlining above, you should probably be using a plain timestamp. > SCHEDULED means "I'm going to work on this TODO now", in which case > a time span doesn't quite make sense -- you start working at the start > of the span, and you finish when you toggle the keyword to DONE. For > a vacation, a plain timestamp is more appropriate. Exactly. If you know the exact range, use a plain timestamp. SCHEDULED is for when you know when to start, but not when to end. With SCHEDULED + DEADLINE, you know when to start, you're not sure when to end, but it must be done before deadline. Regards, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-27 3:46 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-08-27 8:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-08-27 9:36 ` Eric S Fraga 2015-08-27 9:52 ` Rasmus ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2015-08-27 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: mankoff, emacs-orgmode On Thursday, 27 Aug 2015 at 11:46, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>> Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> Org and the calendar make it fairly easy to enter time ranges, by >>>> typing "--" and then the end time or "+" and then the duration. I'd >>>> like to do something similar for dates, but it doesn't seem to be >>>> supported. Is there an easy way to enter a date range for a scheduled >>>> task? [...] > For a vacation, a plain timestamp is more appropriate. However! That > just begs the question of how to make it easier to enter a date range. > That's a question I don't know the answer to -- I suspect there isn't > any way but just hitting a couple of hyphens and then "C-c ." again. I > suppose Org could help by setting the default date of the end time to > something after the start time. > > Eric Actually, org is quite smart in this respect. if you enter a time stamp and then ask to enter another, org automatically inserts the -- between the two time stamps. E.g. try this key sequence to get a time range that covers 7 days starting today: C-c . RET C-c . +6 RET and you should get: <2015-08-27 Thu>--<2015-09-02 Wed> -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.50.2, Org release_8.3.1-176-g45abec ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-27 9:36 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2015-08-27 9:52 ` Rasmus 2015-08-27 11:22 ` Ken Mankoff 2015-08-27 15:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Rasmus @ 2015-08-27 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > if you enter a time stamp and then ask to enter another, org > automatically inserts the -- between the two time stamps I had no idea. This is awesome! Rasmus -- When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-27 9:36 ` Eric S Fraga 2015-08-27 9:52 ` Rasmus @ 2015-08-27 11:22 ` Ken Mankoff 2015-08-27 15:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Ken Mankoff @ 2015-08-27 11:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: Eric Abrahamsen, emacs-orgmode Hi Eric, Eric, Rasmus, and Nicolas, On 2015-08-27 at 05:36, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: > On Thursday, 27 Aug 2015 at 11:46, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>>> Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Org and the calendar make it fairly easy to enter time ranges, by >>>>> typing "--" and then the end time or "+" and then the duration. I'd >>>>> like to do something similar for dates, but it doesn't seem to be >>>>> supported. Is there an easy way to enter a date range for a scheduled >>>>> task? > > [...] > >> For a vacation, a plain timestamp is more appropriate. However! That >> just begs the question of how to make it easier to enter a date range. >> That's a question I don't know the answer to -- I suspect there isn't >> any way but just hitting a couple of hyphens and then "C-c ." again. I >> suppose Org could help by setting the default date of the end time to >> something after the start time. >> >> Eric > > Actually, org is quite smart in this respect. if you enter a time stamp > and then ask to enter another, org automatically inserts the -- between > the two time stamps. E.g. try this key sequence to get a time range > that covers 7 days starting today: > > C-c . RET C-c . +6 RET > > and you should get: <2015-08-27 Thu>--<2015-09-02 Wed> Thank you all for the reminder of SCHEDULED, DEADLINE, normal and inactive timestamp use cases, and the information about easy-entry of inactive ranges. Workflow much improved! -k. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-27 9:36 ` Eric S Fraga 2015-08-27 9:52 ` Rasmus 2015-08-27 11:22 ` Ken Mankoff @ 2015-08-27 15:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2015-08-27 16:14 ` Eric S Fraga 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-08-27 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > On Thursday, 27 Aug 2015 at 11:46, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>>> Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Org and the calendar make it fairly easy to enter time ranges, by >>>>> typing "--" and then the end time or "+" and then the duration. I'd >>>>> like to do something similar for dates, but it doesn't seem to be >>>>> supported. Is there an easy way to enter a date range for a scheduled >>>>> task? > > [...] > >> For a vacation, a plain timestamp is more appropriate. However! That >> just begs the question of how to make it easier to enter a date range. >> That's a question I don't know the answer to -- I suspect there isn't >> any way but just hitting a couple of hyphens and then "C-c ." again. I >> suppose Org could help by setting the default date of the end time to >> something after the start time. >> >> Eric > > Actually, org is quite smart in this respect. if you enter a time stamp > and then ask to enter another, org automatically inserts the -- between > the two time stamps. E.g. try this key sequence to get a time range > that covers 7 days starting today: > > C-c . RET C-c . +6 RET > > and you should get: <2015-08-27 Thu>--<2015-09-02 Wed> Oh man, I should have known not to second-guess Org. Thank you so much for this tip! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-27 15:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2015-08-27 16:14 ` Eric S Fraga 2015-08-27 17:46 ` Miguel Ruiz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2015-08-27 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Thursday, 27 Aug 2015 at 23:33, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Oh man, I should have known not to second-guess Org. Gets me all the time! :-) -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.50.2, Org release_8.3.1-176-g45abec ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy entry of date ranges 2015-08-27 16:14 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2015-08-27 17:46 ` Miguel Ruiz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Miguel Ruiz @ 2015-08-27 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: Eric Abrahamsen, emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 347 bytes --] ÜFigid Enviado desde Type En 27/08/2015, 18:14, en 18:14, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> escrito: >On Thursday, 27 Aug 2015 at 23:33, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> Oh man, I should have known not to second-guess Org. > >Gets me all the time! :-) >-- >: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.50.2, Org >release_8.3.1-176-g45abec [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1173 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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