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From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Free up C-c SPC/org-table-blank-field?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 19:48:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871rdv6upl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875z39y8ua.fsf@kyleam.com>

Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The C-c SPC keybinding is pretty prime property (it's also, according to
>> Emacs conventions, meant to be reserved for the user, though I know
>> that's already out the window with Org),
>
> Based on my reading of (info "(elisp)Key Binding Conventions"), I think
> `C-c SPC` doesn't fall into the user's `C-c LETTER' territory but
> instead into the this group:
>
>   Sequences consisting of ‘C-c’ followed by any other ASCII
>   punctuation or symbol character are allocated for minor modes.
>   Using them in a major mode is not absolutely prohibited, but if you
>   do that, the major mode binding may be shadowed from time to time
>   by minor modes.

Oh, interesting, thanks -- I've always found that section impossible to
remember, and it seems to often be disregarded, anyway. In this case, I
guess we could consider the keybinding to be kind of "minor-mode-ish",
if you thought of commands that operate on Org tables to be like a minor
mode that's only active when point is inside a table.

[...]

>> But, either way, I don't disagree with what you say next.
>>
>>> and it's currently bound to `org-table-blank-field', which is useless
>>> unless you... happen to be in a table. I don't use tables often (or
>>> blank fields when I do), which means this binding is effectively just
>>> removed.
>
> Does it actually need a key binding? I've never used it and just use
> <tab> to move to the next field, leaving the field blank.

I assume it's meant for blanking a field you've already typed something
into. But yes, I can't imagine it's a heavily-used command, and I
suspect the C-c <SPC> binding is mostly mnemonic: "make this field
contain only blanks".

>>>
>>> What do people think about making it a no-op when not on a table
>>> (letting it fall through to the global map), or putting it in a keymap
>>> text property on tables, or otherwise not hogging the binding?
>>
>> In my view, the first would be fine, and the second also unless someone
>> chimes in with a technical reason not to. For the last, perhaps `C-c
>> C-SPC' would be an okay replacement, though I'd assume that would break
>> some users' muscle memory in a surprising and unpleasant way.
>
> I'm not familiar with how this is all put together inside org mode.
> If it is possible to configure things so that it is only bound when
> inside a table and does not shadow other bindings for that sequence
> outside a table, I think that would be a positive change. However, I do
> also note that this is the type of change which tends to cause 'ripples'
> and may have unexpected impact in other areas, such as other packages,
> predefined or 'canned' emacs configurations etc.

The way Org handles these situations now is to have a command that is
named for its actual keybinding (eg `org-shiftmetaleft'), which then
examines its context and dispatches to various other functions. That's a
bit odd and not really how it's done in Emacs -- but I am not proposing
we change this as it is pretty fundamental to how Org is set up and
would wreck a bunch of stuff if it were changed.

I thought Emacs might have some easy way to let a key event "fall
through" to other keymaps, but I haven't been able to find anything
immediately obvious. Maybe I can ask on emacs.devel...

Eric


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-05  3:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-25 18:05 Eric Abrahamsen
2021-02-03  6:16 ` Kyle Meyer
2021-02-03  6:26   ` Tim Cross
2021-02-05  3:48   ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2021-02-05  4:45     ` Kyle Meyer
2021-02-05  5:32     ` Tim Cross
2021-02-05  9:41       ` Christian Moe
2021-02-05 10:44         ` Carsten Dominik
2021-02-05 18:33           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-02-11  9:45             ` Carsten Dominik
2021-03-04 19:49               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-28  3:50                 ` Bastien
2021-05-01 21:09                   ` Eric Abrahamsen

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