* Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
@ 2011-08-24 20:16 Michael Hannon
2011-08-24 21:51 ` suvayu ali
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From: Michael Hannon @ 2011-08-24 20:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-Mode List
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Greetings. I've "inherited" an HTML document that uses the construct:
<u>e</u>vent
for instance, to underline the initial 'e' in the word. The context is
something like:
<b>e</b> <u>e</u>vent
to show that the choice of option 'e' corresponds to choosing an "event".
In preparation for a revision of the document, I'm trying to create a *.org
file that will duplicate as much of the original style of the HTML document as
possible (i.e., when exported to HTML).
I haven't been able to find a way to underline just the first character of a
word. For instance,
_e_vent
doesn't produce what I want. I tried:
_e_ vent
and that underlined the 'e' but, of course, left an unwanted space.
Is there some way to do this? A better way?
Thanks,
-- Mike
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 20:16 Underline ONLY the first character of a word? Michael Hannon
@ 2011-08-24 21:51 ` suvayu ali
2011-08-24 22:44 ` Michael Hannon
2011-08-24 23:28 ` Nick Dokos
2011-08-26 5:59 ` Jambunathan K
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From: suvayu ali @ 2011-08-24 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Hannon; +Cc: Org-Mode List
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Michael Hannon <jm_hannon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I haven't been able to find a way to underline just the first character of a
> word. For instance,
>
> _e_vent
>
> doesn't produce what I want. I tried:
>
> _e_ vent
>
> and that underlined the 'e' but, of course, left an unwanted space.
>
> Is there some way to do this? A better way?
>
I don't believe you can.
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 21:51 ` suvayu ali
@ 2011-08-24 22:44 ` Michael Hannon
2011-08-24 22:50 ` John Hendy
2011-08-25 21:30 ` Michael Hannon
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From: Michael Hannon @ 2011-08-24 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: suvayu ali; +Cc: Org-Mode List
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Thanks, Suvayu. I'll bet somebody on this list could knock out 400 lines of elisp code that would do the trick, but I'm happy to punt on it. It isn't that important a feature.
-- Mike
>________________________________
>From: suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com>
>To: Michael Hannon <jm_hannon@yahoo.com>
>Cc: Org-Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [O] Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
>
>On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Michael Hannon <jm_hannon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I haven't been able to find a way to underline just the first character of a
>> word. For instance,
>>
>> _e_vent
>>
>> doesn't produce what I want. I tried:
>>
>> _e_ vent
>>
>> and that underlined the 'e' but, of course, left an unwanted space.
>>
>> Is there some way to do this? A better way?
>>
>
>I don't believe you can.
>
>--
>Suvayu
>
>Open source is the future. It sets us free.
>
>
>
>
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 22:44 ` Michael Hannon
@ 2011-08-24 22:50 ` John Hendy
2011-08-25 21:30 ` Michael Hannon
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From: John Hendy @ 2011-08-24 22:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Hannon; +Cc: Org-Mode List
>
> ________________________________
> From: suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com>
> To: Michael Hannon <jm_hannon@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Org-Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [O] Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Michael Hannon <jm_hannon@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> I haven't been able to find a way to underline just the first character of
>> a
>> word. For instance,
>>
>> _e_vent
>>
>> doesn't produce what I want. I tried:
>>
>> _e_ vent
>>
>> and that underlined the 'e' but, of course, left an unwanted space.
>>
>> Is there some way to do this? A better way?
>>
What are you exporting to? I almost exclusively use LaTeX, so I will
take to forcing something like this on the rare occasion I need it:
,-----
| \underline{T}his is a test.
| Ti\emph{k}Z
`-----
John
>
> I don't believe you can.
>
> --
> Suvayu
>
> Open source is the future. It sets us free.
>
>
>
>
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 20:16 Underline ONLY the first character of a word? Michael Hannon
2011-08-24 21:51 ` suvayu ali
@ 2011-08-24 23:28 ` Nick Dokos
2011-08-24 23:34 ` Nick Dokos
2011-08-25 0:26 ` Nick Dokos
2011-08-26 5:59 ` Jambunathan K
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From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-08-24 23:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Hannon; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, Org-Mode List
Michael Hannon <jm_hannon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings. I've "inherited" an HTML document that uses the construct:
>
> <u>e</u>vent
>
> for instance, to underline the initial 'e' in the word. The context is
> something like:
>
> <b>e</b> <u>e</u>vent
>
> to show that the choice of option 'e' corresponds to choosing an "event".
>
> In preparation for a revision of the document, I'm trying to create a *.org
> file that will duplicate as much of the original style of the HTML document as
> possible (i.e., when exported to HTML).
>
> I haven't been able to find a way to underline just the first character of a
> word. For instance,
>
> _e_vent
>
> doesn't produce what I want. I tried:
>
> _e_ vent
>
> and that underlined the 'e' but, of course, left an unwanted space.
>
> Is there some way to do this? A better way?
>
Not without some code I think.
I can *almost* do it with babel, but there is some manual work involved.
For example, in the following file:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* Table :noexport:
#+TBLNAME: actions
| abbrev | action |
|--------+-----------------|
| a | actionable |
| b | bibulous |
| c | califragilistic |
#+begin_src python :results output :exports none :var table=actions
print "* Results"
print "#+begin_html"
for row in table:
print "<b>%s</b> <u>%s</u>%s<br/>" % (row[0], row[1][0:1], row[1][1:])
print "#+end_html"
#+end_src
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
I can evaluate the source block with C-c C-c and get a results block
like this[fn:1]:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#+results:
#+begin_example
* Results
#+begin_html
<b>a</b> <u>a</u>ctionable<br/>
<b>b</b> <u>b</u>ibulous<br/>
<b>c</b> <u>c</u>alifragilistic<br/>
#+end_html
#+end_example
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
then manually delete the #+{begin,end}_example lines and *then* export the
resulting file.
You might also be able to do something with radio tables or dynamic blocks
but I have not gone down that path.
Nick
Footnotes:
[fn:1] You might have to do something like this
(setq org-babel-min-lines-for-block-output 1)
to convince babel to produce an example block rather than colon-preceded
literals.
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 23:28 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-08-24 23:34 ` Nick Dokos
2011-08-26 8:35 ` Carsten Dominik
2011-08-25 0:26 ` Nick Dokos
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From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-08-24 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Hannon; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode
Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
> Not without some code I think.
>
D'oh - as John Hendy points out, you can do it by hand:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#+begin_html
<b>a</b> <u>a</u>ctionable<br/>
<b>b</b> <u>b</u>ibulous<br/>
<b>c</b> <u>c</u>alifragilistic<br/>
#+end_html
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
It always amazes me how fixated I can get on the wrong approach.
Nick
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 23:28 ` Nick Dokos
2011-08-24 23:34 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-08-25 0:26 ` Nick Dokos
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From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-08-25 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Hannon; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode
Here is an amusing aside[fn:1]. Take the org file I posted previously:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* Table :noexport:
#+TBLNAME: actions
| abbrev | action |
|--------+-----------------|
| a | actionable |
| b | bibulous |
| c | califragilistic |
#+begin_src python :results output :exports none :var table=actions
print "* Results"
print "#+begin_html"
for row in table:
print "<b>%s</b> <u>%s</u>%s<br/>" % (row[0], row[1][0:1], row[1][1:])
print "#+end_html"
#+end_src
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
If I export this to html, I get nothing in the body because of the :noexport: tag.
But if I evaluate the source block:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* Table :noexport:
#+TBLNAME: actions
| abbrev | action |
|--------+-----------------|
| a | actionable |
| b | bibulous |
| c | califragilistic |
#+begin_src python :results output :exports none :var table=actions
print "* Results"
print "#+begin_html"
for row in table:
print "<b>%s</b> <u>%s</u>%s<br/>" % (row[0],
row[1][0:1],
row[1][1:])
print "#+end_html"
#+end_src
#+results:
#+begin_example
* Results
#+begin_html
<b>a</b> <u>a</u>ctionable<br/>
<b>b</b> <u>b</u>ibulous<br/>
<b>c</b> <u>c</u>alifragilistic<br/>
#+end_html
#+end_example
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and then export (*without* the manual excision of the #+{begin,end}_example),
I get:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
<div id="outline-container-1" class="outline-2">
<h2 id="sec-1"><span class="section-number-2">1</span> Results </h2>
<div class="outline-text-2" id="text-1">
<b>a</b> <u>a</u>ctionable<br/>
<b>b</b> <u>b</u>ibulous<br/>
<b>c</b> <u>c</u>alifragilistic<br/>
</div>
</div>
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
which surprised me: the "* Results" line is interpreted as a new headline
during export, despite the fact that it appears within an example block
(that's probably a consequence of the ordering of actions
in org-export-preprocess-string [fn:2]): the noexport tag strips everything
to the "* Results" line, which I guess is surprising at first but makes sense,
and the #+end_example line is silently discarded).
Oh, no! Look what I've done: András will now insist that the whole thing has
to be either documented completely or thrown out bodily :-)
With-tongue-firmly-in-cheek-ly yours,
Nick
Footnotes:
[fn:1] For some value of "amusing".
[fn:2] See somewhere in this thread: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/46021.
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 22:44 ` Michael Hannon
2011-08-24 22:50 ` John Hendy
@ 2011-08-25 21:30 ` Michael Hannon
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From: Michael Hannon @ 2011-08-25 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-Mode List
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Thanks to Suvayu, John, and Nick (in chronological order) for thoughtful comments on this. I'm still considering my options.
-- Mike
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 20:16 Underline ONLY the first character of a word? Michael Hannon
2011-08-24 21:51 ` suvayu ali
2011-08-24 23:28 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-08-26 5:59 ` Jambunathan K
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From: Jambunathan K @ 2011-08-26 5:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Hannon; +Cc: Org-Mode List
See http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg45991.html
Just, creating a backlink to the other thread. John Hendy created the
forward link.
> Greetings. I've "inherited" an HTML document that uses the
> construct:
>
> <u>e</u>vent
>
> for instance, to underline the initial 'e' in the word. The context
> is
> something like:
>
> <b>e</b> <u>e</u>vent
>
> to show that the choice of option 'e' corresponds to choosing an
> "event".
>
> In preparation for a revision of the document, I'm trying to create a
> *.org
> file that will duplicate as much of the original style of the HTML
> document as
> possible (i.e., when exported to HTML).
>
> I haven't been able to find a way to underline just the first
> character of a
> word. For instance,
>
> _e_vent
>
> doesn't produce what I want. I tried:
>
> _e_ vent
>
> and that underlined the 'e' but, of course, left an unwanted space.
>
> Is there some way to do this? A better way?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Mike
>
>
>
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-24 23:34 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2011-08-26 8:35 ` Carsten Dominik
2011-08-28 9:41 ` Niels Giesen
2011-08-29 3:48 ` Michael Hannon
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2011-08-26 8:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Michael Hannon, emacs-orgmode
Hi,
I don't think the following trick has come up yet. If you are
only exporting to HTML, you can do:
@<u>e@</u>vent
HTH
- Carsten
On 25.8.2011, at 01:34, Nick Dokos wrote:
> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
>
>> Not without some code I think.
>>
>
> D'oh - as John Hendy points out, you can do it by hand:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>
> #+begin_html
> <b>a</b> <u>a</u>ctionable<br/>
> <b>b</b> <u>b</u>ibulous<br/>
> <b>c</b> <u>c</u>alifragilistic<br/>
> #+end_html
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> It always amazes me how fixated I can get on the wrong approach.
>
> Nick
>
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-26 8:35 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2011-08-28 9:41 ` Niels Giesen
2011-08-29 3:48 ` Michael Hannon
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From: Niels Giesen @ 2011-08-28 9:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Michael Hannon, nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode
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What about using something well-structured like a table or a (definition)
list and CSS :first-letter pseudoselector and text-decoration: underline?
e.g.
td:first-child {
font-weight:bold;
}
td~td:first-letter {
text-decoration:underline;
}
for a two-column table.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think the following trick has come up yet. If you are
> only exporting to HTML, you can do:
>
> @<u>e@</u>vent
>
> HTH
>
> - Carsten
>
> On 25.8.2011, at 01:34, Nick Dokos wrote:
>
> > Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not without some code I think.
> >>
> >
> > D'oh - as John Hendy points out, you can do it by hand:
> >
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> >
> > #+begin_html
> > <b>a</b> <u>a</u>ctionable<br/>
> > <b>b</b> <u>b</u>ibulous<br/>
> > <b>c</b> <u>c</u>alifragilistic<br/>
> > #+end_html
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> >
> > It always amazes me how fixated I can get on the wrong approach.
> >
> > Nick
> >
>
>
>
--
http://pft.github.com
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* Re: Underline ONLY the first character of a word?
2011-08-26 8:35 ` Carsten Dominik
2011-08-28 9:41 ` Niels Giesen
@ 2011-08-29 3:48 ` Michael Hannon
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From: Michael Hannon @ 2011-08-29 3:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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> I don't think the following trick has come up yet. If you are
> only exporting to HTML, you can do:
>
> @<u>e@</u>vent
Thanks, Carsten. That works nicely.
-- Mike
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