Re: a bit offtopic, fonts in exported PDF documents - oops

From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com
Cc: emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Alan L Tyree <alantyree@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: a bit offtopic, fonts in exported PDF documents - oops
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:31:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59985F38-8550-4357-86B1-4199F382BB30@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31733.1283183895@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org>

On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Erik Iverson <eriki@ccbr.umn.edu> wrote:
>
>> That would be my thought, too.  However, it appears that cm-super is
>> only "suggested" by texlive-fonts-extra, so in general
>> will not get installed with that package, unless you ask for
>> suggested packages also. (This is all Debian/Ubuntu by the way).
>>
>
> Right. I was wrong about texlive-fonts-extra: you need to install the
> cm-super package to get the cm-super fonts. I am investigating the
> various fonts right now and will update the org-dependencies.org  
> file on
> Worg later on this week. We can also add a FAQ entry to point back to
> org-dependencies - that should take care of the documentation changes,
> right?
>
>> Both this system and MikTeX
>> offer cm-super as a standalone package, so perhaps just recommending
>> that package (cm-super) would suffice?  I confirmed that cm-super is
>> not one of the default MikTeX packages in a standard install, so
>> Windows users may benefit from this advice, too.
>
> Do windows users use evince? I'd think they mostly go with Acrobat  
> Reader,
> in which case they should have no problems with Type3 fonts.
>
>>> The other possible change that Erik identified is the deletion of  
>>> the
>>> t1enc package from the list of packages that org includes in  
>>> exported
>>> LaTeX by default. I haven't tried without it, but it does indeed  
>>> seem to
>>> be an obsolete remnant of times long past.
>>
>> I have tried without it.  I was unable to to see any differences  
>> between
>> using \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} and adding the \usepackage{t1enc}
>> line. This makes sense given the FAQ answer below.
>>
>
> So getting rid of the \usepackage{t1enc} in org sounds like the right
> thing to do (but including it does not hurt, so there is no urgency,
> iiuc.)

OK, thanks to all of you - I have removed the t1enc entry now.

- Carsten

>
> Nick
>
>> The TeX FAQ
>>> (http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=t1enc ) says:
>>>
>>> ,----
>>> | Why use fontenc rather than t1enc?
>>> | | In the very earliest days of LaTeX2e, the only way to use the T1
>>> | encoding was t1enc; with the summer 1994 “production” release, the
>>> | fontenc package appeared, and provided comprehensive support for  
>>> use of
>>> | the encoding.
>>> | | Nevertheless, the t1enc package remains (as part of the LaTeX
>>> 2.09
>>> | compatibility code), but it does very little: it merely selects  
>>> font
>>> | encoding T1, and leaves to the user the business of generating the
>>> | character codes required.
>>> | | Generating such character codes could be a simple matter, if the
>>> T1
>>> | encoding matched any widely-supported encoding standard, since  
>>> in that
>>> | case, one might expect one’s keyboard to generate the character
>>> | codes. However, the T1 encoding is a mix of several standard  
>>> encodings,
>>> | and includes code points in areas of the table which standard  
>>> encodings
>>> | specifically exclude, so no T1 keyboards have been (or ever will  
>>> be)
>>> | manufactured.
>>> | | By contrast, the fontenc package generates the T1 code points
>>> from
>>> | ordinary LaTeX commands (e.g., it generates the é character  
>>> codepoint
>>> | from the command \’e). So, unless you have program-generated T1  
>>> input,
>>> | use \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} rather than \usepackage{t1enc}.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
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- Carsten