From: Scott Randby <srandby@gmail.com>
To: emacs-org list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Stable releases
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:18:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55CA2E6B.4060102@gmail.com> (raw)
While I've used Org's development version in the past, I stopped doing
that due to my failure to learn how to use git (no time) and other
issues. Now, I only use the stable releases. But the latest 8.3 release
doesn't seem so stable to me, so I'd like some clarification about what
the Org maintainers mean by a stable release. Perhaps this is too vague,
so let me explain a bit.
Normally, I wait many months before upgrading Org to a new stable
release, but when 8.3 was released, I upgraded right away (from 8.2.10)
since I have a new machine on which I installed Emacs 24.5. I read
through the release notes for anything that might give me problems and
didn't see anything.
When I started using 8.3, I discovered that the behavior of commented
headlines had been changed---a change with which I disagree, a change I
could not find in the release notes, and one which forces me to alter a
huge number of files. It seems I missed the discussion about commented
headlines on the mailing list. This is due to my limited knowledge of
elisp and programming in general, a gap which makes it difficult for me
to follow the more technical discussions on the mailing list. While it
has been explained to me that the change is a feature, I consider it to
be a serious bug since it is not backwards compatible.
Another issue I had with 8.3 is the deletion of the
org-latex-with-hyperref variable, something I could not find in the
release notes (maybe I missed it). I understand that having Org insert
\hypersetup{...} details is the most desirable situation, but I fail to
see the harm in keeping org-latex-with-hyperref for those of us who
needed it in the past. Yes, I figured out a fix, but this is a fix that
forces me to stick with an outmoded way of doing things, and so I
consider this deletion to be a bug.
I do understand that all software has bugs, and that everyone working on
Org is doing so voluntarily (thank you so much for your wonderful work).
But I was very surprised to find that the evaluation of table formulas
didn't work in 8.3.1. I could see something like this happening in the
development version, but it is somewhat mysterious to me how such a bug
could make its way into a stable release.
I guess what I want to know, and maybe there is no answer, is how long
should I wait before upgrading to a stable release? Org is by far the
most important piece of software I use (I hate it when I can't use Org),
and bugs (which I know can't be avoided) make it hard, even impossible,
for me to get my real work done. If there is a way for me to minimize
encountering bugs, I will appreciate a description of that way.
Scott Randby
next reply other threads:[~2015-08-11 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-11 17:18 Scott Randby [this message]
2015-08-11 18:33 ` Stable releases Ista Zahn
2015-08-11 19:34 ` Suvayu Ali
2015-08-11 20:56 ` Rasmus
2015-08-12 16:14 ` Scott Randby
2015-08-12 13:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-08-12 14:38 ` Peter Salazar
2015-08-12 15:57 ` Scott Randby
2015-08-12 22:56 ` Rasmus
2015-08-18 16:44 ` Bastien
2015-08-18 17:30 ` Bastien
2015-08-12 17:37 ` Achim Gratz
2015-08-12 19:06 ` Scott Randby
2015-08-13 9:32 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-08-13 13:28 ` Scott Randby
2015-08-18 17:36 ` Bastien
2015-08-18 17:52 ` Scott Randby
2015-08-18 20:40 ` Russell Adams
2015-08-18 22:26 ` Bastien
2015-08-19 20:00 ` Rasmus
2015-08-20 23:03 ` Bastien
2015-08-20 23:56 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-08-21 7:21 ` Suvayu Ali
2015-08-22 17:32 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-08-22 17:44 ` Achim Gratz
2015-08-22 17:55 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-08-22 18:00 ` Achim Gratz
2015-08-22 18:23 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-08-22 18:53 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-08-22 18:57 ` Achim Gratz
2015-08-22 19:06 ` Thomas S. Dye
2015-08-21 18:37 ` Rasmus
2015-08-19 8:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-08-19 9:36 ` Bastien
2015-08-19 14:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-08-19 19:57 ` Rasmus
2016-01-17 10:12 ` Losing trust in Org: stable org-mode releases and unit tests for basic functionality Karl Voit
2016-01-17 10:30 ` Achim Gratz
2016-01-18 13:47 ` Karl Voit
2016-01-17 13:41 ` Marco Wahl
2016-01-18 14:06 ` Karl Voit
2016-01-19 9:00 ` Marco Wahl
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