* Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode @ 2007-11-06 8:23 Uwe Jochum 2007-11-06 8:48 ` Stefan Kamphausen 2007-11-06 9:43 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Uwe Jochum @ 2007-11-06 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi all, using entries in my diary file I get an alarm bell ten minutes before a meeting or an appointment. That's useful. But indeed orgmode is much more flexible for dealing with appointments and scheduled items, so I wanted to do more time management in orgmode. But I cannot figure out how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for scheduled stuff in orgmode. I tried to do it by integrating my orgmode file in the diary file (see orgmode FAQ, sec. 9), but that doesn't work (and it is not recommended by Carsten). So is there any other way to get the notification mechanism to co-operate with orgmode? Schöne Grüße, Uwe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 8:23 Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode Uwe Jochum @ 2007-11-06 8:48 ` Stefan Kamphausen 2007-11-06 14:37 ` Bastien 2007-11-06 9:43 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kamphausen @ 2007-11-06 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi Uwe, "Uwe Jochum" <uwe.jochum@uni-konstanz.de> writes: > Hi all, > > using entries in my diary file I get an alarm bell ten minutes before a > meeting or an appointment. That's useful. and should be more flexible... > But indeed orgmode is much more flexible :-) > for dealing with appointments and scheduled items, so I > wanted to do more time management in orgmode. But I cannot figure out > how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for scheduled stuff in orgmode. I > tried to do it by integrating my orgmode file in the diary file (see > orgmode FAQ, sec. 9), but that doesn't work (and it is not recommended > by Carsten). So is there any other way to get the notification mechanism > to co-operate with orgmode? And what is more: you need to rely on Emacs running. OK, since I read EMails with Gnus Emacs /is/ always running, but nevertheless. I prefer my alarm bell being an informative reminder email. Shouldn't it be possible to have a small elisp file which checks for alarms to trigger in `org-agenda-files' and performs some reminder action (like sending an email, ring the bell, start some external application to create a popup ... whatever) if needed? This small extra elisp file could then be called from cron using emacs --script command line option (only available in Gnu Emacs 22 if I am not mistaken but something similar could probably achieved using -l, -batch or -f, etc) every -say- 5 minutes. To find out whether an alarm has to be triggered there could be a global option which then refers to the scheduled date-times but one might also think about a syntax how to defined multiple reminders for one todo item. Being but a beginner with org this may be a stupid idea, but it /sounds/ reasonable to me. I haven't started writing some elisp, though. And of course this is slightly OT :-) Best Regards Stefan -- Stefan Kamphausen --- http://www.skamphausen.de a blessed +42 regexp of confusion (weapon in hand) You hit. The format string crumbles and turns to dust. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 8:48 ` Stefan Kamphausen @ 2007-11-06 14:37 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-11-06 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Stefan Kamphausen <skampi@gmx.net> writes: >> using entries in my diary file I get an alarm bell ten minutes before a >> meeting or an appointment. That's useful. > > and should be more flexible... I didn't think hard enough on this to have a steady opinion, but I guess the right thing is to extend appt.el facilities, not org.el directly. The job of `org-agenda-to-appt' is to make the appointments list (stored in `appt-time-msg-list') aware both of the diary and of agenda files. Once this list includes any appointment information you have in Emacs, then you can use it as a basis for further calls to external tools by running Emacs in batch mode. > * TODO appt+.el --- write an extension for appt.el :@Home: :) -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 8:23 Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode Uwe Jochum 2007-11-06 8:48 ` Stefan Kamphausen @ 2007-11-06 9:43 ` Bastien 2007-11-06 10:23 ` Uwe Jochum 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-11-06 9:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "Uwe Jochum" <uwe.jochum@uni-konstanz.de> writes: > But I cannot figure out how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for > scheduled stuff in orgmode. Did you try `org-agenda-to-appt'? It makes scheduled events in Org being added to the list of appointment. Then you should be able to hear bells or Emacs will pinch you, etc. It has filtering capacities, so you can add entries depending on their content, headline or category. See the docstring for details. HTH, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 9:43 ` Bastien @ 2007-11-06 10:23 ` Uwe Jochum 2007-11-06 14:22 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Uwe Jochum @ 2007-11-06 10:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Message from Nov 06 2007 (10:43): >> But I cannot figure out how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for >> scheduled stuff in orgmode. > > Did you try `org-agenda-to-appt'? Bastien, thanks! I hadn't seen that in the manual... It works, but I have to do it manually evry time I start orgmode or every time I set a new appointment. Wouldn't it be good to make this more automatic, i.e. somehow configurable by the user, for instance like so: make it an option, so I can activate it globally in the org-agenda options menu, in such a way that new appointments are detected automatically and the bell rings without doing org-agenda-to-appt by hand? Schöne Grüße, Uwe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 10:23 ` Uwe Jochum @ 2007-11-06 14:22 ` Bastien 2007-11-06 13:55 ` Richard G Riley [not found] ` <uzlxrfphs.fsf@uni-konstanz.de> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-11-06 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "Uwe Jochum" <uwe.jochum@uni-konstanz.de> writes: > Message from Nov 06 2007 (10:43): >>> But I cannot figure out how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for >>> scheduled stuff in orgmode. >> >> Did you try `org-agenda-to-appt'? > > Bastien, > > thanks! I hadn't seen that in the manual... One way to find information when browsing the manual in Info-mode is to press `i' (M-x Info-index) and enter the index key to look for. Here you can look for "appointment reminders" or "appt.el" and it will open this page: (info "(org)Weekly/Daily agenda") If you think this information should appear somewhere else, please suggestion other location(s). > It works, but I have to do it manually evry time I start orgmode or > every time I set a new appointment. Wouldn't it be good to make this > more automatic, i.e. somehow configurable by the user, for instance > like so: make it an option, so I can activate it globally in the > org-agenda options menu, in such a way that new appointments are > detected automatically and the bell rings without doing > org-agenda-to-appt by hand? Better let the user decide by himself when he wants `org-agenda-to-appt' to be called. Two (non-exclusive) methods: 1. Add a hook to `before-save-hook' locally in `org-mode-hook' so that saving an Org buffer will check for new appointments and add them to the list of appointments: (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda() (add-hook 'before-save-hook 'org-agenda-to-appt t t))) Note that pressing `s' in agenda buffers will save all agenda files and run `org-agenda-to-appt' for each of them. 2. Add a custom key to call 'org-agenda-to-appt from an agenda buffer. (org-defkey org-agenda-mode-map "\C-cA" 'org-agenda-to-appt) If you use one of these two methods, maybe it's better to silent `org-agenda-to-appt' since the repeated messages can be annoying. I'll provide a way to do this. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 14:22 ` Bastien @ 2007-11-06 13:55 ` Richard G Riley 2007-11-06 15:41 ` Bastien [not found] ` <uzlxrfphs.fsf@uni-konstanz.de> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Richard G Riley @ 2007-11-06 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > "Uwe Jochum" <uwe.jochum@uni-konstanz.de> writes: > >> Message from Nov 06 2007 (10:43): >>>> But I cannot figure out how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for >>>> scheduled stuff in orgmode. >>> >>> Did you try `org-agenda-to-appt'? >> >> Bastien, >> >> thanks! I hadn't seen that in the manual... > > One way to find information when browsing the manual in Info-mode is to > press `i' (M-x Info-index) and enter the index key to look for. Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search through? > > Here you can look for "appointment reminders" or "appt.el" and it will > open this page: > > (info "(org)Weekly/Daily agenda") > > If you think this information should appear somewhere else, please > suggestion other location(s). > >> It works, but I have to do it manually evry time I start orgmode or >> every time I set a new appointment. Wouldn't it be good to make this >> more automatic, i.e. somehow configurable by the user, for instance >> like so: make it an option, so I can activate it globally in the >> org-agenda options menu, in such a way that new appointments are >> detected automatically and the bell rings without doing >> org-agenda-to-appt by hand? > > Better let the user decide by himself when he wants `org-agenda-to-appt' > to be called. Two (non-exclusive) methods: > > 1. Add a hook to `before-save-hook' locally in `org-mode-hook' so that > saving an Org buffer will check for new appointments and add them to > the list of appointments: > > (add-hook 'org-mode-hook > (lambda() (add-hook 'before-save-hook > 'org-agenda-to-appt t t))) > > Note that pressing `s' in agenda buffers will save all agenda files > and run `org-agenda-to-appt' for each of them. > > 2. Add a custom key to call 'org-agenda-to-appt from an agenda buffer. > > (org-defkey org-agenda-mode-map "\C-cA" 'org-agenda-to-appt) > > If you use one of these two methods, maybe it's better to silent > `org-agenda-to-appt' since the repeated messages can be annoying. > I'll provide a way to do this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 13:55 ` Richard G Riley @ 2007-11-06 15:41 ` Bastien 2007-11-06 15:16 ` William Henney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-11-06 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes: >> One way to find information when browsing the manual in Info-mode is to >> press `i' (M-x Info-index) and enter the index key to look for. > > Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search > through? It's not just you. Many people don't like to search through the Info pages and whether this interface is the best one for Emacs documentation is always a hot topic on the emacs-devel mailing list. But `i' (M-x Info-index) will really make your life easier. Personnally I do like Info pages and Info-mode very much. In addition to Info-index, I'm mostly using these: `l' Info-history-back `L' Info-history `]' Info-forward-node Once you get used to these few commands, it's really quick to find and fetch relevant information. HTH, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 15:41 ` Bastien @ 2007-11-06 15:16 ` William Henney 2007-11-06 15:34 ` Chris Leyon ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-11-06 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 11/6/07, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: > Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes: > > Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search > > through? > > It's not just you. > > Many people don't like to search through the Info pages and whether this > interface is the best one for Emacs documentation is always a hot topic > on the emacs-devel mailing list. > > But `i' (M-x Info-index) will really make your life easier. > > Personnally I do like Info pages and Info-mode very much. In addition > to Info-index, I'm mostly using these: > > `l' Info-history-back > `L' Info-history > `]' Info-forward-node > > Once you get used to these few commands, it's really quick to find and > fetch info relevant information. > I use "l" a lot, but I didn't know about "L" - thanks! The commands I use most are "spacebar", which just chugs through an entire manual, and "s", which does a regexp search. I do like info pages when I can actually get the right ones to load. The big problem I have with info is in setting it up so that it finds the right files. For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently 4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this problem? Cheers Will > HTH, -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 15:16 ` William Henney @ 2007-11-06 15:34 ` Chris Leyon 2007-11-06 15:35 ` Richard G Riley ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Chris Leyon @ 2007-11-06 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On 11/6/07, William Henney <whenney@gmail.com> wrote: > The big problem I have with info is in setting it up so that it finds > the right files. For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I > can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it > always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently > 4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and > Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this > problem? > Cheers > Will I too have experienced frustration attempting to use the Info-*-directory-list variables. However, I can live without this particular feature, so I haven't spent much time trying to make it work. But I can tell you how to go to a specific info file which corresponds to your new Org version: from any info page, press the `g' key. When it prompts "Go to node:", enter an opening parenthesis `(', then a path to your desired info filename. (Filename completion via the Tab key works here which is very helpful.) When you reach your filename, close with a final `)' character, although Tab will insert this for you too. Press Enter, and your desired Info file should open. Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 15:16 ` William Henney 2007-11-06 15:34 ` Chris Leyon @ 2007-11-06 15:35 ` Richard G Riley 2007-11-06 16:43 ` Sivaram Neelakantan 2007-11-06 16:47 ` Bastien 3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Richard G Riley @ 2007-11-06 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: William Henney; +Cc: emacs-orgmode "William Henney" <whenney@gmail.com> writes: > On 11/6/07, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: >> Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes: >> > Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search >> > through? >> >> It's not just you. >> >> Many people don't like to search through the Info pages and whether this >> interface is the best one for Emacs documentation is always a hot topic >> on the emacs-devel mailing list. >> >> But `i' (M-x Info-index) will really make your life easier. >> >> Personnally I do like Info pages and Info-mode very much. In addition >> to Info-index, I'm mostly using these: >> >> `l' Info-history-back >> `L' Info-history >> `]' Info-forward-node >> >> Once you get used to these few commands, it's really quick to find and >> fetch info relevant information. >> > > I use "l" a lot, but I didn't know about "L" - thanks! > > The commands I use most are "spacebar", which just chugs through an > entire manual, and "s", which does a regexp search. > > I do like info pages when I can actually get the right ones to load. > The big problem I have with info is in setting it up so that it finds > the right files. For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I > can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it > always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently > 4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and > Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this > problem? Yes. On linux i ran (sudo) make install-info and then insured /usr/local/info was on my info-directory-list I also deleted any old org files lying around. I dont know, info files and their set up is just damn confusing IMO, especially with plenty of makefiles updating the wrong dir file. - its always worth checking which define they use for their destination infopath. > > Cheers > > Will > >> HTH, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 15:16 ` William Henney 2007-11-06 15:34 ` Chris Leyon 2007-11-06 15:35 ` Richard G Riley @ 2007-11-06 16:43 ` Sivaram Neelakantan 2007-11-06 16:47 ` Bastien 3 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Sivaram Neelakantan @ 2007-11-06 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "William Henney" <whenney@gmail.com> writes: [...] > I do like info pages when I can actually get the right ones to load. > The big problem I have with info is in setting it up so that it finds > the right files. For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I > can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it > always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently > 4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and > Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this > problem? [...] From what I understand of info files, there should be a 'dir' file where the info files are for it to be seen by the info program. and that 'dir' can easily be created via install-info org --dir-file=dir Since I untar and rename every release as org and in a different directory outside of Emacs directory, I requested Carsten to create the dir file for me http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg02668.html and I have this for me in the .Emacs. ;;;; (setq Info-default-directory-list (cons "c:/gnu/elisp/org/" Info-default-directory-list)) ;;;for org (setq load-path (cons "c:/gnu/elisp/org/" load-path)) (require 'org-install) When I go into info, and go into org manual it brings up the latest version document. sivaram -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 15:16 ` William Henney ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2007-11-06 16:43 ` Sivaram Neelakantan @ 2007-11-06 16:47 ` Bastien 2007-11-06 16:58 ` William Henney 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-11-06 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "William Henney" <whenney@gmail.com> writes: > For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I can tell it > where my org info files are, with the result that it always shows me > the old version that comes with my emacs (currently 4.67). I have > tried setting Info-default-directory-list and Info-directory-list, but > all to no avail. Has anyone else had this problem? I use the script Pete sent a while a go update org-mode automatically. It fetches uncompress and untar the tarball archive. It copies the org info file (which name is really "org") to the local ~/info/ directory where I keep latest version of Info files. Then I have this is my .emacs.el: (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list "~/info/") And the info page is correct. Does that help? -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode 2007-11-06 16:47 ` Bastien @ 2007-11-06 16:58 ` William Henney 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-11-06 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Thanks for your help, Chris, Richard, and Bastien. Chris's method of loading the file explicitly will be useful until I get the path sorted properly. On 11/6/07, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: > "William Henney" <whenney@gmail.com> writes: > I use the script Pete sent a while a go update org-mode automatically. > It fetches uncompress and untar the tarball archive. It copies the org > info file (which name is really "org") to the local ~/info/ directory > where I keep latest version of Info files. > > Then I have this is my .emacs.el: > > (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list "~/info/") > > And the info page is correct. Does that help? > I don't use Pete's script, but I do essentially the same thing and it doesn't work BUT, I think I have now found the culprit... It is all the fault of fink (for the non Mac users, fink is a package manager and repo for OS X, a bit like yum or apt, except a lot less useful....) At some point I had added the following line to my ~/.profile test -r /sw/bin/init.sh && . /sw/bin/init.sh and that file, unbeknownst to me had been setting the INFOPATH environment variable. This means that Info-directory-list gets initialised from INFOPATH and that Info-default-directory-list is completely ignored :( So, the answer seems to be to unset INFOPATH in the shell and to merge the fink info directories into my Info-default-directory-list At least, I assume this will work. I don't want to restart my emacs at the moment since I would lose too much context, but I will test it out when I next have a quiet time. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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* Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode [not found] ` <uzlxrfphs.fsf@uni-konstanz.de> @ 2007-11-06 15:31 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-11-06 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "Uwe Jochum" <uwe.jochum@uni-konstanz.de> writes: > I think the problem of finding the appropriate information is > principally not a question of the right place for the right bit of > information but a question of semantics. An index is the right place to handle people's semantic :) > I had searched with "diary" "integration" "orgmode", even in Google. The thing is that `org-agenda-to-appt' is at the bottom of the page about Diary/Calendar integration. So when looking for these keywords (either from the Info interface or from Google) you should have landed not that far... > I'll better try to make my brainware more flexible. Remember the motto: « if something works, don't repair it ». This qualifies for brains as well! > (And shouldn't your solution not be documented, perhaps in the FAQ?) Yes why not. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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