* refiling
@ 2010-01-13 16:30 Richard Riley
2010-01-13 16:41 ` refiling Richard Riley
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From: Richard Riley @ 2010-01-13 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs-orgmode mailing list
I'm a bit rusty so please excuse any stupid questions.
I decided to clear up my org files which are, frankly, a mess.
Two major issues for me to get my head around.
1) Tags v Categories. Its not entirely obvious to me what categories are
for. Are they like a more specialised tag?
2) Refiling. Lets says I have something like this in linux.org:-
* general :general:
#+CATEGORY: general
** learn org mode :emacs:org:
blah blah
* debian :debian:
#+CATEGORY: debian
* test
if I refile from elsewhere, it picks ALL items at a level to refile to when I select
linux.org.
e.g linux.org/general, linux.org/debian, linux.org/test
If I then select "general" it also prompts for me now to select "learn
org mode". Is this because of some hangover from me using org-mode? In
other words I cant refile to linux.org/debian.
Wise words appreciated to put me back on track.
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* Re: refiling
2010-01-13 16:30 refiling Richard Riley
@ 2010-01-13 16:41 ` Richard Riley
2010-01-13 17:33 ` refiling Manish
2010-01-13 18:17 ` refiling Matt Lundin
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From: Richard Riley @ 2010-01-13 16:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
> If I then select "general" it also prompts for me now to select "learn
> org mode". Is this because of some hangover from me using org-mode? In
That should read "ido-mode". Sorry.
> other words I cant refile to linux.org/debian.
>
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* Re: refiling
2010-01-13 16:30 refiling Richard Riley
2010-01-13 16:41 ` refiling Richard Riley
@ 2010-01-13 17:33 ` Manish
2010-01-13 17:45 ` refiling Richard Riley
2010-01-13 18:17 ` refiling Matt Lundin
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From: Manish @ 2010-01-13 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Riley; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Richard Riley wrote:
>
> I'm a bit rusty so please excuse any stupid questions.
>
> I decided to clear up my org files which are, frankly, a mess.
>
> Two major issues for me to get my head around.
>
> 1) Tags v Categories. Its not entirely obvious to me what categories are
> for. Are they like a more specialised tag?
To me they are a means to provide some more context only. But I do
not use them at all - I hide them using the excellent
my-org-agenda-toggle-list-category function courtesy Manuel
Hermengildo (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/10909).
>
> 2) Refiling. Lets says I have something like this in linux.org:-
>
> * general :general:
> #+CATEGORY: general
> ** learn org mode :emacs:org:
> blah blah
> * debian :debian:
> #+CATEGORY: debian
>
> * test
>
> if I refile from elsewhere, it picks ALL items at a level to refile to when I select
> linux.org.
>
> e.g linux.org/general, linux.org/debian, linux.org/test
>
> If I then select "general" it also prompts for me now to select "learn
> org mode". Is this because of some hangover from me using org-mode? In
> other words I cant refile to linux.org/debian.
Not sure.. may be looking at varible
org-refile-allow-creating-parent-nodes would help.
HTH
--
Manish
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* Re: refiling
2010-01-13 17:33 ` refiling Manish
@ 2010-01-13 17:45 ` Richard Riley
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Richard Riley @ 2010-01-13 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Manish <mailtomanish.sharma@gmail.com> writes:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Richard Riley wrote:
>>
>> I'm a bit rusty so please excuse any stupid questions.
>>
>> I decided to clear up my org files which are, frankly, a mess.
>>
>> Two major issues for me to get my head around.
>>
>> 1) Tags v Categories. Its not entirely obvious to me what categories are
>> for. Are they like a more specialised tag?
>
> To me they are a means to provide some more context only. But I do
> not use them at all - I hide them using the excellent
> my-org-agenda-toggle-list-category function courtesy Manuel
> Hermengildo (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/10909).
>
>>
Useful , but the comments seem to be misleading in that the file names
are not shown regardless of toggle state. Or is file name used as a more
general category when no specific category is put it?
Which is another cloudy issue for me - file name and category.
e.g I have a file "linux.org". In it I have a category "General". But in
the agenda this is not specific enough e,g I will see another General
item from "Emacs" category "General". possibly all down to reformatting
the output. I'm not sure I am clear about what categories are.
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* Re: refiling
2010-01-13 16:30 refiling Richard Riley
2010-01-13 16:41 ` refiling Richard Riley
2010-01-13 17:33 ` refiling Manish
@ 2010-01-13 18:17 ` Matt Lundin
2010-01-13 18:27 ` refiling Richard Riley
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From: Matt Lundin @ 2010-01-13 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Riley; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list
Hi Richard,
Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
> Two major issues for me to get my head around.
>
> 1) Tags v Categories. Its not entirely obvious to me what categories are
> for. Are they like a more specialised tag?
Categories are primarily for visibility in the agenda. I use them to
remind myself what project or "area of responsibility" an item belongs
to. If I label a particular project with the category "article", I can
easily identify tasks belonging to that project. E.g., tasks from the
following project...
,----
| * PROJECT Write article :PROJECT:
| :PROPERTIES:
| :CATEGORY: article
| :END:
| ** TODO Do some online research :computer:
| SCHEDULED: <2010-01-13 Wed>
| ** TODO Outline article :rwb:
| SCHEDULED: <2010-01-13 Wed>
`----
...appear as follows in the agenda:
,----
| Day-agenda (W02):
| Wednesday 13 January 2010
| article: Scheduled: TODO Do some online research :computer:
| article: Scheduled: TODO Outline article :rwb:
`----
Thanks to the category, I can see what project the otherwise cryptic "Do
some online research" belongs to.
> 2) Refiling. Lets says I have something like this in linux.org:-
>
> * general :general:
> #+CATEGORY: general
> ** learn org mode :emacs:org:
> blah blah
> * debian :debian:
> #+CATEGORY: debian
> * test
This syntax for categories has been deprecated. Better to use
properties, as in the example above.
>
> if I refile from elsewhere, it picks ALL items at a level to refile to when I select
> linux.org.
>
> e.g linux.org/general, linux.org/debian, linux.org/test
>
> If I then select "general" it also prompts for me now to select "learn
> org mode". Is this because of some hangover from me using org-mode? In
> other words I cant refile to linux.org/debian.
Refile completion follows the hierarchy of your outline. Thus, once you
have limited the results to linux.org/general, org-refile will only
offer you subtrees belonging to "general." If you want more flexible
completion, you can fiddle around with the variables
org-refile-use-outline-path, org-completion-use-ido,
and org-outline-path-complete-in-steps.
Best,
Matt
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* Re: refiling
2010-01-13 18:17 ` refiling Matt Lundin
@ 2010-01-13 18:27 ` Richard Riley
2010-01-13 19:07 ` refiling John Rakestraw
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Richard Riley @ 2010-01-13 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Matt Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
>> if I refile from elsewhere, it picks ALL items at a level to refile to when I select
>> linux.org.
>>
>> e.g linux.org/general, linux.org/debian, linux.org/test
>>
>> If I then select "general" it also prompts for me now to select "learn
>> org mode". Is this because of some hangover from me using org-mode? In
>> other words I cant refile to linux.org/debian.
>
> Refile completion follows the hierarchy of your outline. Thus, once you
> have limited the results to linux.org/general, org-refile will only
> offer you subtrees belonging to "general." If you want more flexible
That is fine and as expected. My point is more that I am unable to file
to linux.org/general since it has elements filed there. It offers me to
select an actual existing org item as opposed to letting me store the
rewritten item to linux.org/general.
> completion, you can fiddle around with the variables
> org-refile-use-outline-path, org-completion-use-ido,
> and org-outline-path-complete-in-steps.
>
Thanks for the reply.
--
Google Talk : rileyrgdev@googlemail.com http://www.google.com/talk
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-01-13 18:27 ` refiling Richard Riley
@ 2010-01-13 19:07 ` John Rakestraw
2010-01-13 19:40 ` refiling Richard Riley
2010-01-15 7:08 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: John Rakestraw @ 2010-01-13 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Riley; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
>>>>> Richard Riley writes:
> That is fine and as expected. My point is more that I am unable to
> file to linux.org/general since it has elements filed there. It offers
> me to select an actual existing org item as opposed to letting me
> store the rewritten item to linux.org/general.
Not sure I understand you here, so this might not be helpful. However,
when I do what I think you're trying to do, hitting the space bar after
"linux.org/general" is in the mini-buffer allows me to save directly to
"linux.org/general." This assumes that :level and/or :maxlevel are set
appropriately in the org-refile-targets variable.
--
John Rakestraw
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* Re: refiling
2010-01-13 19:07 ` refiling John Rakestraw
@ 2010-01-13 19:40 ` Richard Riley
2010-01-14 6:16 ` refiling Manish
2010-01-15 7:08 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Richard Riley @ 2010-01-13 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
John Rakestraw <lists@johnrakestraw.com> writes:
>>>>>> Richard Riley writes:
>
>> That is fine and as expected. My point is more that I am unable to
>> file to linux.org/general since it has elements filed there. It offers
>> me to select an actual existing org item as opposed to letting me
>> store the rewritten item to linux.org/general.
>
> Not sure I understand you here, so this might not be helpful. However,
> when I do what I think you're trying to do, hitting the space bar after
> "linux.org/general" is in the mini-buffer allows me to save directly to
> "linux.org/general." This assumes that :level and/or :maxlevel are set
> appropriately in the org-refile-targets variable.
That was it John. Thanks.
Possibly a default key of c-j would be nice too to "create at this
level".
Also thanks to the others - I used manish' funtion to toggle category
appearance and I changed my categories to be more "Pretty Printing" for
the agenda e.g
:CATEGORY:The XyZ Project
regards
r.
--
Google Talk : rileyrgdev@googlemail.com http://www.google.com/talk
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-01-13 19:40 ` refiling Richard Riley
@ 2010-01-14 6:16 ` Manish
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Manish @ 2010-01-14 6:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Riley; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Richard Riley wrote:
[...]
>
> Also thanks to the others - I used manish' funtion to toggle category
> appearance and I changed my categories to be more "Pretty Printing" for
> the agenda e.g
>
> :CATEGORY:The XyZ Project
>
The function is credit to Manuel Hermengildo.
--
Manish
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-01-13 19:07 ` refiling John Rakestraw
2010-01-13 19:40 ` refiling Richard Riley
@ 2010-01-15 7:08 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-01-15 10:21 ` refiling Richard Riley
2010-01-15 14:35 ` refiling John Rakestraw
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-01-15 7:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Rakestraw; +Cc: Richard Riley, emacs-orgmode
On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:07 PM, John Rakestraw wrote:
>>>>>> Richard Riley writes:
>
>> That is fine and as expected. My point is more that I am unable to
>> file to linux.org/general since it has elements filed there. It
>> offers
>> me to select an actual existing org item as opposed to letting me
>> store the rewritten item to linux.org/general.
>
> Not sure I understand you here, so this might not be helpful. However,
> when I do what I think you're trying to do, hitting the space bar
> after
> "linux.org/general" is in the mini-buffer allows me to save directly
> to
> "linux.org/general."
Do you need to press SPACE, or does RET also do the trick?
Because, as Manish points out in another message, SPC should
really be allowed as a character in a new headline you define.
Apparently right now it is not allowed as it is treated as
a completion command.
Could you please test if, in your setup, RET works as well?
Thanks.
- Carsten
> This assumes that :level and/or :maxlevel are set
> appropriately in the org-refile-targets variable.
>
> --
> John Rakestraw
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
- Carsten
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* Re: refiling
2010-01-15 7:08 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2010-01-15 10:21 ` Richard Riley
2010-01-15 14:35 ` refiling John Rakestraw
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Richard Riley @ 2010-01-15 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
enter does indeed work now - I had reinstalled emacs in debian testing
and the version was way back at 6.21 for some reason. So sorry for that
bum steer. I wonder if it was because I built my own deb from source as
I didnt have that level of version before. I also cleaned up my accrued
org settings (ongoing) and now the ido completion for the refile target
is exceptionally fast too.
I am trying to set up a multi project org system using recursive org
files (find-lisp-find-files) and might still have issues with the "end
node" for refiling - I'm still being offered to complete to actual org
tasks as opposed to just the "level" and I'm not sure if this is a
limitation of the org hierarchical system or my
understanding/setup. I'll post more dumb questions when I've
experimented some more ;)
I knew I should never have stopped using org for a while, but the
building back from scratch is good for a clean out of my org-settings ;)
r.
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:07 PM, John Rakestraw wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Richard Riley writes:
>>
>>> That is fine and as expected. My point is more that I am unable to
>>> file to linux.org/general since it has elements filed there. It
>>> offers
>>> me to select an actual existing org item as opposed to letting me
>>> store the rewritten item to linux.org/general.
>>
>> Not sure I understand you here, so this might not be helpful. However,
>> when I do what I think you're trying to do, hitting the space bar
>> after
>> "linux.org/general" is in the mini-buffer allows me to save directly
>> to
>> "linux.org/general."
>
> Do you need to press SPACE, or does RET also do the trick?
> Because, as Manish points out in another message, SPC should
> really be allowed as a character in a new headline you define.
> Apparently right now it is not allowed as it is treated as
> a completion command.
>
> Could you please test if, in your setup, RET works as well?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Carsten
>
>> This assumes that :level and/or :maxlevel are set
>> appropriately in the org-refile-targets variable.
>>
>> --
>> John Rakestraw
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> - Carsten
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
>
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-01-15 7:08 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-01-15 10:21 ` refiling Richard Riley
@ 2010-01-15 14:35 ` John Rakestraw
2010-01-15 17:32 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-25 5:27 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: John Rakestraw @ 2010-01-15 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Richard Riley, emacs-orgmode
>>>>> Carsten Dominik writes:
> Do you need to press SPACE, or does RET also do the trick? Because, as
> Manish points out in another message, SPC should really be allowed as
> a character in a new headline you define. Apparently right now it is
> not allowed as it is treated as a completion command.
When refiling an already existing note (using C-c C-w), then RET works.
However, when filing a new note created by org-remember (using C-c C-c),
RET merely prompts me with the possible next-level headings. Pressing
SPACE and then RET files the new note under the first-level heading.
--
John Rakestraw
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-01-15 14:35 ` refiling John Rakestraw
@ 2010-01-15 17:32 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-25 5:27 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-01-15 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Rakestraw; +Cc: Richard Riley, emacs-orgmode
On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:35 PM, John Rakestraw wrote:
>>>>>> Carsten Dominik writes:
>
>> Do you need to press SPACE, or does RET also do the trick? Because,
>> as
>> Manish points out in another message, SPC should really be allowed as
>> a character in a new headline you define. Apparently right now it is
>> not allowed as it is treated as a completion command.
>
> When refiling an already existing note (using C-c C-w), then RET
> works.
> However, when filing a new note created by org-remember (using C-c C-
> c),
> RET merely prompts me with the possible next-level headings. Pressing
> SPACE and then RET files the new note under the first-level heading.
Hi John, thank you for the clear reply. I need to look into
sanitizing this part.
- Carsten
>
> --
> John Rakestraw
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-01-15 14:35 ` refiling John Rakestraw
2010-01-15 17:32 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2010-06-25 5:27 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-25 16:01 ` John Rakestraw
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-06-25 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Rakestraw; +Cc: Richard Riley, emacs-orgmode
On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:35 PM, John Rakestraw wrote:
>>>>>> Carsten Dominik writes:
>
>> Do you need to press SPACE, or does RET also do the trick? Because,
>> as
>> Manish points out in another message, SPC should really be allowed as
>> a character in a new headline you define. Apparently right now it is
>> not allowed as it is treated as a completion command.
>
> When refiling an already existing note (using C-c C-w), then RET
> works.
> However, when filing a new note created by org-remember (using C-c C-
> c),
> RET merely prompts me with the possible next-level headings. Pressing
> SPACE and then RET files the new note under the first-level heading.
Hi John,
I think this issue is obsolete with the new capture interface.
- Carsten
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-06-25 5:27 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2010-06-25 16:01 ` John Rakestraw
2010-06-25 16:21 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: John Rakestraw @ 2010-06-25 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Richard Riley, emacs-orgmode
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> When refiling an already existing note (using C-c C-w), then RET works.
>> However, when filing a new note created by org-remember (using C-c C-
>> c),
>> RET merely prompts me with the possible next-level headings. Pressing
>> SPACE and then RET files the new note under the first-level heading.
>
> Hi John,
>
> I think this issue is obsolete with the new capture interface.
>
> - Carsten
Indeed it is. Thanks. (And thanks also for remembering to close such a
small loop -- tell me, what PIM do you use to keep track of all the
things that you do? ;-)
--
John Rakestraw
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* Re: Re: refiling
2010-06-25 16:01 ` John Rakestraw
@ 2010-06-25 16:21 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-06-25 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Rakestraw; +Cc: Richard Riley, emacs-orgmode
On Jun 25, 2010, at 6:01 PM, John Rakestraw wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>> When refiling an already existing note (using C-c C-w), then RET
>>> works.
>>> However, when filing a new note created by org-remember (using C-c
>>> C-
>>> c),
>>> RET merely prompts me with the possible next-level headings.
>>> Pressing
>>> SPACE and then RET files the new note under the first-level heading.
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I think this issue is obsolete with the new capture interface.
>>
>> - Carsten
>
> Indeed it is. Thanks. (And thanks also for remembering to close such a
> small loop -- tell me, what PIM do you use to keep track of all the
> things that you do? ;-)
:-)
- Carsten
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