Re: Re: Variable 'org-ctrl-k-protect-subtree' defaults to nil

From: Alan L Tyree <alantyree@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Re: Variable 'org-ctrl-k-protect-subtree' defaults to nil
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:22:08 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101103202208.74977a80.alantyree@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y69audks.fsf@noorul.maa.corp.collab.net>

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 11:57:15 +0530
Noorul Islam K M <noorul@noorul.com> wrote:

> <pjmtavares@hotmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > It's the first time I'm giving any feedback on org-mode, so first
> > of all I would like to congratulate the original creator and all
> > contributors on a very interesting and useful work.
> >
> > I've discovered org-mode only a couple of weeks ago and was
> > intrigued enough to restart using emacs, after several years away
> > from it! I've been studying Org's documentation and tutorials, and
> > started using it to help me manage my relocation from Brazil to
> > Italy.
> >
> > What I am reporting, technically, is a feature: the fact that
> > variable 'org-ctrl-k-protect-subtree' defaults to nil. But
> > considering how easy this makes to lose a whole subtree of data,
> > especially for a newcomer to org-mode, I think it should be
> > considered a serious bug. As a matter of fact, I am very surprised
> > that C-k would be considered an admissible alternative to C-c C-x
> > C-w/M-w, as a way to kill a subtree!
> >
> > I propose that 'org-ctr-k-protect-subtree' is made to default to
> > 't' ASAP (already costumized it in that way on my setup), and that
> > the behavior of C-k on headings is made consistent: kill to the end
> > of line, regardless of the visibility of the subtree.
> >
> 
> I slightly disagree here. Most of the time I definitely want the
> entire subtree to go away. I think this is the beauty of outline
> mode. 
> 
> Thanks and Regards
> Noorul

I agree with the original poster. It's true that experienced users
"want the entire subtree to go away", but it is going to be one hell of
a bit surprise for novices. Gurus can set this variable (and any other)
to suit their needs, but org-mode ought to work out-of-the-box in a way
that protects us kids.

Thanks for a terrific product!

Alan
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