From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Alan L Tyree Subject: Re: Re: Variable 'org-ctrl-k-protect-subtree' defaults to nil Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:22:08 +1100 Message-ID: <20101103202208.74977a80.alantyree@gmail.com> References: <87y69audks.fsf@noorul.maa.corp.collab.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44910 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PDZXs-0002TN-Oh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 05:22:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PDZXr-0001fN-3P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 05:22:16 -0400 Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:36075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PDZXq-0001fI-Ve for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 05:22:15 -0400 Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so390214iwn.0 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 02:22:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87y69audks.fsf@noorul.maa.corp.collab.net> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 11:57:15 +0530 Noorul Islam K M wrote: > writes: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > It's the first time I'm giving any feedback on org-mode, so first > > of all I would like to congratulate the original creator and all > > contributors on a very interesting and useful work. > > > > I've discovered org-mode only a couple of weeks ago and was > > intrigued enough to restart using emacs, after several years away > > from it! I've been studying Org's documentation and tutorials, and > > started using it to help me manage my relocation from Brazil to > > Italy. > > > > What I am reporting, technically, is a feature: the fact that > > variable 'org-ctrl-k-protect-subtree' defaults to nil. But > > considering how easy this makes to lose a whole subtree of data, > > especially for a newcomer to org-mode, I think it should be > > considered a serious bug. As a matter of fact, I am very surprised > > that C-k would be considered an admissible alternative to C-c C-x > > C-w/M-w, as a way to kill a subtree! > > > > I propose that 'org-ctr-k-protect-subtree' is made to default to > > 't' ASAP (already costumized it in that way on my setup), and that > > the behavior of C-k on headings is made consistent: kill to the end > > of line, regardless of the visibility of the subtree. > > > > I slightly disagree here. Most of the time I definitely want the > entire subtree to go away. I think this is the beauty of outline > mode. > > Thanks and Regards > Noorul I agree with the original poster. It's true that experienced users "want the entire subtree to go away", but it is going to be one hell of a bit surprise for novices. Gurus can set this variable (and any other) to suit their needs, but org-mode ought to work out-of-the-box in a way that protects us kids. Thanks for a terrific product! Alan > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206