* Org needs your vote
@ 2009-12-07 9:59 PT
2009-12-07 11:27 ` Manish
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From: PT @ 2009-12-07 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
http://lifehacker.com/5419988/five-best-outlining-tools
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 9:59 Org needs your vote PT @ 2009-12-07 11:27 ` Manish 2009-12-07 13:18 ` Bastien 2009-12-07 17:24 ` Henri-Paul Indiogine ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Manish @ 2009-12-07 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: PT; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Done! Thanks for sharing. -- Manish On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:29 PM, PT <spamfilteraccount@gmail.com> wrote: > http://lifehacker.com/5419988/five-best-outlining-tools > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 11:27 ` Manish @ 2009-12-07 13:18 ` Bastien 2009-12-07 18:49 ` Norbert Zeh 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2009-12-07 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Manish; +Cc: PT, emacs-orgmode Manish <mailtomanish.sharma@gmail.com> writes: > Done! Thanks for sharing. Done as well. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 13:18 ` Bastien @ 2009-12-07 18:49 ` Norbert Zeh 2009-12-07 19:47 ` plutek-infinity 2009-12-07 23:31 ` Ben Finney 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Norbert Zeh @ 2009-12-07 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bastien [2009.12.07 1418 +0100]: > Manish <mailtomanish.sharma@gmail.com> writes: > > > Done! Thanks for sharing. > > Done as well. And the sad part is that Word and OneNote figure in this list at all. The former sucks. The latter is a good tool, but not for outlining. IMO, the low rating of org-mode on this list shows that most people prefer flashy GUIs over extreme power, efficiency, and flexibility. Then again, that seems to be the general state in today's computing world. Cheers, Norbert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 18:49 ` Norbert Zeh @ 2009-12-07 19:47 ` plutek-infinity 2009-12-07 20:36 ` Scot Becker 2009-12-07 23:31 ` Ben Finney 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: plutek-infinity @ 2009-12-07 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Norbert Zeh; +Cc: emacs-orgmode >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:49:36 -0400 >From: Norbert Zeh <nzeh@cs.dal.ca> > >IMO, the low rating of org-mode on this list shows that most people >prefer flashy GUIs over extreme power, efficiency, and flexibility. >Then again, that seems to be the general state in today's computing >world. yes... and, really, the word "computing" is entirely optional in your last sentence. the poll points to a much more generalized preference for style and ease-of-use over flexibility and engagement of the mind. ugh. cheers! -- .pltk. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 19:47 ` plutek-infinity @ 2009-12-07 20:36 ` Scot Becker 2009-12-10 17:16 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Scot Becker @ 2009-12-07 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: plutek-infinity; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On the upside, Lifehacker is much more mainstream than, say, Sourceforge. And to be in the top five is pretty impressive. (And lifehacker readers know that the actual polls are a bit of a joke. They ask for 'the best' X, but it's not as if the voters have actually tried each of the contenders.). Anyway, this is Emacs in a pretty public limelight. I like it. Scot On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:47 PM, plutek-infinity <plutek@infinity.net> wrote: >>Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:49:36 -0400 >>From: Norbert Zeh <nzeh@cs.dal.ca> >> >>IMO, the low rating of org-mode on this list shows that most people >>prefer flashy GUIs over extreme power, efficiency, and flexibility. >>Then again, that seems to be the general state in today's computing >>world. > > yes... and, really, the word "computing" is entirely optional in your last sentence. the poll points to a much more generalized preference for style and ease-of-use over flexibility and engagement of the mind. > > ugh. > > cheers! > > -- > .pltk. > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 20:36 ` Scot Becker @ 2009-12-10 17:16 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-12-10 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Scot Becker; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Dec 7, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Scot Becker wrote: > On the upside, Lifehacker is much more mainstream than, say, > Sourceforge. And to be in the top five is pretty impressive. (And > lifehacker readers know that the actual polls are a bit of a joke. > They ask for 'the best' X, but it's not as if the voters have actually > tried each of the contenders.). And, in the end, we end up 4th, beat omnioutliner, get nearly the same number of votes as Word does. Pretty strong showing, I'd say! Thanks for the votes! - Carsten > > Anyway, this is Emacs in a pretty public limelight. I like it. > > Scot > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:47 PM, plutek-infinity > <plutek@infinity.net> wrote: >>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:49:36 -0400 >>> From: Norbert Zeh <nzeh@cs.dal.ca> >>> >>> IMO, the low rating of org-mode on this list shows that most people >>> prefer flashy GUIs over extreme power, efficiency, and flexibility. >>> Then again, that seems to be the general state in today's computing >>> world. >> >> yes... and, really, the word "computing" is entirely optional in >> your last sentence. the poll points to a much more generalized >> preference for style and ease-of-use over flexibility and >> engagement of the mind. >> >> ugh. >> >> cheers! >> >> -- >> .pltk. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 18:49 ` Norbert Zeh 2009-12-07 19:47 ` plutek-infinity @ 2009-12-07 23:31 ` Ben Finney 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Ben Finney @ 2009-12-07 23:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Norbert Zeh <nzeh@cs.dal.ca> writes: > IMO, the low rating of org-mode on this list shows that most people > prefer flashy GUIs over extreme power, efficiency, and flexibility. I disagree; I don't think people prefer “flashy GUIs” as you say. That may play a part, but I believe it's only a small part in comparison to a much larger issue: Rather, people (in general, and beyond adolescence) prefer to avoid any option presented which might involve the effort of learning something new. That is, if presented with a choice between using Word (which they've already gone through the pain of learning), or learning a whole new program, most adults will assume that the easiest option is to stick with Word, or whatever existing program they've already learned that appears to promise the ability to address their immediate need. There won't be an assessment of “extreme power, efficiency, and flexibility”; they're not looking for any of those, even though an outside observer might realise they can benefit from them. There'll only be an assessment of the perceived effort of “use Word, which I know and in a pinch I can call on my friend for help”, versus the perceived effort of “learn this unknown-to-me program, which nobody in my circle of friends has even heard of”. Note that *actual* required effort isn't what counts: only *perceived* effort can play a part in that decision. Merely being technically better isn't enough to win over anyone who isn't already interested in learning something new. The technically better option must *also* be perceptibly easy to learn to the point of being productive quickly, and must perceptibly have a decent support community. Otherwise, it won't even get a second glance by most people. > Then again, that seems to be the general state in today's computing > world. When looked at from the above perspective, it's a state we don't have to merely lament. We can *do* something about it; and the great part is we don't have to change anything about Org mode itself to improve the situation. -- \ “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death | `\ your right to say it.” —Evelyn Beatrice Hall, _The Friends of | _o__) Voltaire_, 1906 | Ben Finney ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 9:59 Org needs your vote PT 2009-12-07 11:27 ` Manish @ 2009-12-07 17:24 ` Henri-Paul Indiogine 2009-12-07 20:40 ` Dan Davison 2009-12-08 3:30 ` Torsten Wagner 3 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Henri-Paul Indiogine @ 2009-12-07 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode PT <spamfilteraccount@gmail.com> writes: > http://lifehacker.com/5419988/five-best-outlining-tools I voted, but dang we are ranked the lowest. Enrico -- Henri-Paul Indiogine Texas A&M University http://www.coe.tamu.edu/~enrico ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 9:59 Org needs your vote PT 2009-12-07 11:27 ` Manish 2009-12-07 17:24 ` Henri-Paul Indiogine @ 2009-12-07 20:40 ` Dan Davison 2009-12-08 3:30 ` Torsten Wagner 3 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Dan Davison @ 2009-12-07 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: PT; +Cc: emacs-orgmode PT <spamfilteraccount@gmail.com> writes: > http://lifehacker.com/5419988/five-best-outlining-tools which contains "You work on Org-Mode in a command prompt-like window and do all your editing and changes via the command line and keyboard shortcuts" I thought that might brighten peoples' day. Command line. So that's, like, writing stuff then? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Org needs your vote 2009-12-07 9:59 Org needs your vote PT ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-12-07 20:40 ` Dan Davison @ 2009-12-08 3:30 ` Torsten Wagner 3 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Torsten Wagner @ 2009-12-08 3:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode > http://lifehacker.com/5419988/five-best-outlining-tools Even the description of org-mode in this poll is simply wrong.... its not command line !!!! ITS PLAIN TEXT !!! That means even the author of the poll had not any idea of what he is writing about... What did he do? Goggled "org program" and took the first 5 hits ?! This is pretty worseless... However, I vote ;) Greetings Torsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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