From: "Cook, Malcolm" <MEC@stowers.org>
To: John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 05:18:30 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1432876710350.51148@stowers.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+M2ft_GbLRRQWYgGwgMuaHnexAZcxihTYQVpPx=Tb61=-Tmcw@mail.gmail.com>
John,
Glad you're "cooking with ESS". Gonna hafta chalk your WTF moment up to some butterfly in Kamchatka. Or was it Saskatchewan?
BTW, since you said you use org-mode, please note, when you get next perform a fresh install of org-mode, regardless of the means (package manager, git pull, stork brought it, whatevs), make sure it is compiled, and in a fresh boot of emacs unsullied by current (and soon to be ancien regime) org-mode. In other words, run `emacs -Q` as you do, and install the new org WITHOUT LOADING THE EXISTING ORG. You have been warned!
~ malcolm_cook@stowers.org
________________________________________
From: John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:15 PM
To: Cook, Malcolm
Cc: emacs-orgmode
Subject: Re: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
> John, still recommend you try fresh ess, compiled via package manager. Also, update any packages needing updated. Maybe speedbar?
So, I followed your nice ELPA instructions, and things worked. Then I
wondered if it was compilation related, so I did that in my manually
downloaded ESS dir and re-enabled my default load path (instead of
ELPA), and no emacs hang. Then I run make clean, no hang. Then I do
the emacs -Q method in my original email... hang. Then make again, no
hang. Then make clean. No hang.
I also played with ess-speedbar-use-p in case it's an issue with that,
but at this point I feel like I can't reproducibly cause it to hang
anymore so I don't know what in the world is going on.
Definite wtf moment for me!
Thanks for all of your input/suggestions!
John
>
> I'm dry,
>
> Best,
>
> Malcolm
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Hendy [mailto:jw.hendy@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 6:24 PM
>> To: Cook, Malcolm
>> Cc: emacs-orgmode
>> Subject: Re: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS
>>
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I would install latest ess fresh.
>> >>
>> >> I wondered about that as well, so I tried that prior to posting here.
>> >> Sorry, I should have listed my version, which is now 15.03-1.
>> >>
>> >> > What version of emacs? The package manager is a moving target
>> >> > these
>> >> days.
>> >>
>> >> GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16.2)
>> >> (installed via Arch Linux standard package)
>> >>
>> >> > Try to use the package manager to interactively install the latest
>> >> >
>> >> >> - emacs -Q
>> >> >> following:
>> >> >>
>> http://melpa.org/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#/getting-
>> >> star
>> >> >> ted
>> >> >> - putting this in the buffer
>> >> >
>> >> > (require 'package) ;; You might already have this line (add-to-list
>> >> > 'package-archives
>> >> > '("melpa" . "http://melpa.org/packages/") t) (when (<
>> >> > emacs-major-version 24)
>> >> > ;; For important compatibility libraries like cl-lib
>> >> > (add-to-list 'package-archives '("gnu" .
>> >> > "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")))
>> >> > (package-initialize) ;; You might already have this line
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I could do this, though I've sort of decided to steer away from
>> >> packages and just manage things manually via my ~/.elisp/site-lisp
>> >> folder. Would this have an affect? My process was to simply download
>> >> the .zip of ESS, and unpack to ~/.elisp/site-lisp/ess (after deleting
>> >> the old version). This way, my .emacs can continue to point to
>> >> ~/.elisp/site-lisp/ess/lisp regardless of what version I have.
>> >>
>> >> If manual vs. [m]elpa would make a difference, I suppose I could give
>> >> the above a whirl.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, you'll get everything compiled if you use the package manager.
>> Worth it just for that! There are other ways to get those files byte-compiled,
>> but the package manager is probably the best.
>>
>> ESS is sounding like compilation is optional, and I never have.
>> - http://ess.r-project.org/Manual/ess.html#Installation
>>
>> >
>> > Also, the package manager can help you discover when updates exist to
>> ALL your eamcs packages. Worth learning for that.
>>
>> Definitely. I may look into that. I pretty much just use Org and R, so not super
>> worried about it, but I really don't know enough to understand what other
>> packages ship with emacs that I could/should be updating!
>>
>> >
>> > OTOH, as I said, it has been in flux lately and is still a moving target.
>> >
>> > BTW, when did you last update emacs?
>>
>> $ grep emacs /var/log/pacman.log
>>
>> [2014-06-14 20:49] [PACMAN] upgraded emacs (24.3-6 -> 24.3-7)
>> [2014-10-23 10:28] [PACMAN] upgraded emacs (24.3-7 -> 24.4-1)
>> [2015-01-19 01:36] [ALPM] upgraded emacs (24.4-1 -> 24.4-2)
>> [2015-04-20 13:14] [ALPM] upgraded emacs (24.4-2 -> 24.5-1)
>>
>> >
>> > And, does (require 'ess-site) ALL BY ITSELF generate your error?
>> >
>>
>> Yup, see the original email:
>>
>> #+begin_quote
>>
>> I can reproduce this with:
>> - emacs -Q
>> - putting this in the buffer
>>
>> (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/ess/lisp") (require 'ess-site)
>>
>> - M-x eval-region on the above two lines
>>
>> #+end_quote
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the assistance!
>> John
>>
>> > ~Malcolm
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - M-x eval-region on the above lines
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Then, M-x list-packages and install it by positioning the cursor on
>> >> > the line
>> >> mentioning the ess package from melpa and typing "I".
>> >> >
>> >> > The type "x" to execute your decision, and confirm with "yes".
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, delete or move/hide your old ess bits and restart emacs.
>> >> >
>> >> > Did it work?
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+mec=stowers.org@gnu.org
>> >> [mailto:emacs-
>> >> >> orgmode-bounces+mec=stowers.org@gnu.org] On Behalf Of John
>> Hendy
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:51 PM
>> >> >> To: emacs-orgmode
>> >> >> Subject: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Over the past couple of weeks, I've been having some issues with
>> >> >> emacs hanging on startup. I usually kill the process, but
>> >> >> inadvertently left it in the background today, noting much later
>> >> >> that it ended up starting. I played with commenting out various
>> >> >> parts of my config until I narrowed things down to the line:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (require 'ess-site)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> the message buffer displays "enabling speedbar support" for a
>> >> >> reeeaaally long time before it eventually starts up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I tried debug-on-signal and eval-expression-debug-on-error... I'm
>> >> >> not sure what is supposed to happen with debug options, but no
>> >> >> debug buffer pops up. The only lines that appear relevant in
>> *Messages* are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ad-handle-definition: `ess-indent-command' got redefined
>> >> >> ad-handle-definition: `ess-eval-line-and-step' got redefined
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How might I diagnose this further?. I'm not familiar with chasing
>> >> >> down Emacs issues other than narrowing it down to a config file
>> option.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I can reproduce this with:
>> >> >> - emacs -Q
>> >> >> - putting this in the buffer
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/ess/lisp") (require 'ess-site)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - M-x eval-region on the above two lines
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for any suggestions,
>> >> >> John
>> >> >
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Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-28 19:50 Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS John Hendy
2015-05-28 22:07 ` Cook, Malcolm
2015-05-28 22:20 ` John Hendy
2015-05-28 22:38 ` Cook, Malcolm
2015-05-28 23:23 ` John Hendy
2015-05-28 23:34 ` Cook, Malcolm
2015-05-29 4:15 ` John Hendy
2015-05-29 5:18 ` Cook, Malcolm [this message]
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