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Cc: "emacs-orgmode\@gnu.org" Subject: Re: Getting email from MS outlook into emacs References: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 09:40:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Marvin M. Doyley's message of "Tue, 28 Nov 2023 03:09:17 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx10.uio.no: 129.240.65.60 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=129.240.65.60; envelope-from=msteffen@ifi.uio.no; helo=afram.ifi.uio.no.shmi.ifi.uio.no; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5) X-UiO-Scanned: 90297AEECE5433A6F622844C37F74DEC679C250D X-UiOonly: 31A0EB6E66A4169CACC66CAD6D0492A729F8552C Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:700:100:10::50; envelope-from=msteffen@ifi.uio.no; helo=mail-out01.uio.no X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.13 X-Spam-Score: -2.13 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AD39C32B29 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: MJ/RtWoJHpCF Hi, not that I have a solution, but I would like to know one as well. Ever since my organization moved to more or less exclusively Outlook, email as working tool (for me) has constantly deteriorated. 2FA was one of the last of the innovations, that was hard to "work with" as non Microsoft/Outlook user (not Mac for me by emacs/linux). It's increasingly frustrating, since it's a small drip-drip-drip downhill experience. Once you get it sort of working again after it broke again, they roll out a new "improvement" or feature after some time, which perhaps adds some fancy wrinkles to the constellation of tremendous things outlooks probably offers (I am just waiting for the CHATGTP-plug-in that answers your emails for yourself...), but that leaves people like me out in the rain, someone who just wants a reliable, stable plain old email server which is widely compatible (even if only backward compatible) and the leaves the choice of mailreader(s)q to the user. There seem to be features, that I don't want to get used to (seem like auto-expire, emails vanish if read but not handled properly or something), other emails I delete constantly re-awake (but in an expired status, but still shown for me), other are undeletable (which leaves me with a huge zombie-inbox), some are never shown in emacs-gnus. So, I tried different approaches, all did not work (or stopped working after a while, maybe after new "improvements" on the server side), including davmail, procmail, and some other "sync" solutions if forgot, but the main stumbling stone seemed 2FA ever since that was introduced. I did not try mbsync though (maybe I will when I have time), so I cannot really help. But as said, I'd be likewise interested in directions for approaches. My current goal is not to get access to the server enabled properly again, but to get the emails (automatically) off the server, like 20+ years ago, when internet and access to servers was unrealiable over "modem" dial-ups. So back to the future, so to say. best, Martin