* [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline
@ 2014-07-28 12:21 Nicolas Goaziou
2014-07-28 12:26 ` Bastien
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-07-28 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode List
Hello,
As discussed in a recent thread[fn:1], \[...\] constructs are
counter-intuitive to some users.
At the time being, \[...\] are inline-able. As a consequence, they are
can be written in the middle of a line, and filled, much like \(...\).
Even though it is also possible to inline them in a LaTeX document, the
intent is to make them stand out in their own lines.
The current proposal is to make them elements instead of objects in Org
syntax (i.e, a `latex-environment' instead of a `latex-fragment'). In
a nutshell:
- Pros:
+ conform to LaTeX intent,
+ impossible to fill.
- Cons:
- documents containing \[...\] mid-line will be broken (such
constructs will not be recognized anymore).
WDYT?
Regards,
[fn:1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/88882
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Nicolas Goaziou 0x80A93738
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* Re: [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline
2014-07-28 12:21 [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2014-07-28 12:26 ` Bastien
2014-07-28 13:12 ` [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline (-1) Nicolas Berthier
2014-07-28 14:56 ` [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline Rasmus
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From: Bastien @ 2014-07-28 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org Mode List
Hi Nicolas,
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> - documents containing \[...\] mid-line will be broken (such
> constructs will not be recognized anymore).
That's a big cons for only a small benefit IMHO.
But I don't feel strongly about it.
--
Bastien
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* Re: [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline (-1)
2014-07-28 12:21 [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline Nicolas Goaziou
2014-07-28 12:26 ` Bastien
@ 2014-07-28 13:12 ` Nicolas Berthier
2014-07-28 14:56 ` [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline Rasmus
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From: Nicolas Berthier @ 2014-07-28 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode List
You wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As discussed in a recent thread[fn:1], \[...\] constructs are
> counter-intuitive to some users.
>
> At the time being, \[...\] are inline-able. As a consequence, they are
> can be written in the middle of a line, and filled, much like \(...\).
> Even though it is also possible to inline them in a LaTeX document, the
> intent is to make them stand out in their own lines.
>
> The current proposal is to make them elements instead of objects in Org
> syntax (i.e, a `latex-environment' instead of a `latex-fragment'). In
> a nutshell:
>
> - Pros:
> + conform to LaTeX intent,
> + impossible to fill.
> - Cons:
> - documents containing \[...\] mid-line will be broken (such
> constructs will not be recognized anymore).
>
> WDYT?
>
> Regards,
>
> [fn:1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/88882
Hello,
I often use \[...\] to write maths fragments that constitute grammatical
units of a plain sentence, yet are better read on their own line when
rendered, as in \[x = \mathit{some~complex~stuff} \mbox{ and}\] \[y =
\mathit{more~complex~stuff}\] where \(\mathit{stuff} =
\mathit{less~intricate~stuff}\).
(Recall that LaTeX is in principle intended to allow focusing on
contents instead of formatting, some LaTeX packages may also change the
behavior of \[...\] I think).
Also note that MathJax automatically adds "<div>"s when it encounters
such constructs in paragraphs like "<p>...\[...\]...</p>", and those
<div>s can still further be customized with CSS ; what would be the
result of exporting to HTML if they were not inline?.
As it is always possible to use displaymath environments, I don't think
any change regarding \[...\] is necessary.
Regards,
N.
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Nicolas Berthier FSF Member #7975
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* Re: [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline
2014-07-28 12:21 [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline Nicolas Goaziou
2014-07-28 12:26 ` Bastien
2014-07-28 13:12 ` [POLL] Syntax change: make \[...\] non-inline (-1) Nicolas Berthier
@ 2014-07-28 14:56 ` Rasmus
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From: Rasmus @ 2014-07-28 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> The current proposal is to make them elements instead of objects in Org
> syntax (i.e, a `latex-environment' instead of a `latex-fragment').
> [...]
> WDYT?
I think it's a bad idea.
One can use
\begin{EQUATION} · \end{EQUATION}
(where EQUATION is one's favorite math-construct) for that purpose.
With cdlatex, structure templates (org-structure-template-alist) or
key-chord.el it need not require much effort to insert such an
environment. Thus, the pros seem trivial in my opinion.
OTOH, it's nice to have a inline display-math constructor, \[·\], and
the up-front cost of comparability-issues seems expensive.
Cheers,
Rasmus
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