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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tom Gillespie , Kyle Meyer , Emacs-orgmode , Org-Mode mailing list Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.70 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=S5+8IwyJ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9D26F940480 X-Spam-Score: 0.70 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: HmaNctWSb39u > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 4:59 AM > From: "TRS-80" > To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Cc: "Kyle Meyer" , "Tom Gillespie" , = "Org-Mode mailing list" , "Emacs-orgmode" > Subject: Re: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwrit= ing user options > > On 2020-11-29 17:08, daniela-spit@gmx.it wrote: > > > > Yes, there are problems with the documentation. I noticed recently > > that > > some guy criticised the manual, and so many got super defensive. You > > should > > give him a medal for telling you how things are. > > I guess in my mind, complaining about the manual, to a bunch of > volunteers and fellow users, is probably on the pretty unhelpful end of > the scale. > > Making constructive criticism is then slightly better, at least you are > not deriding (mostly volunteer) people's work and effort. Although not > by much, as this still does not require too much effort. > > However submitting a patch with an improvement to the documentation is > quite valuable. Pretty much on the opposite end of the scale in fact. > And thus, only this level of contribution "deserves a medal" as far as I > am concerned. > > I was not privy to particulars of conversation you mention, although I > have seen this sort of entitled attitude often enough in F/LOSS to have > somewhat of an idea of how it might have played out. > > Entitled users becoming demanding of things they expect (for free, no > less) is not just a drag, it's the cancer that slowly kills F/LOSS > projects. As eventually actually valuable contributors (maintainers, > devs, etc.) have had enough of it, get burnt out and leave the project. > I have seen it far too many times over the years. You work on it and get a lot of praise but have almost no tolerance for negative feedback. When you get project maintainers complaining about you= r attitude "Don't complain, I'm only volunteer. Bye Bye", something is screw= ed up. And now you want to start this all over again. Bye Bye. > So I imagine what you witnessed was a sort of natural defense mechanism, > protecting the overall health of the community and project by having a > strong reaction to such negative attitudes. > > Cheers, > TRS-80 >