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After talking to Gavin Smith, for texinfo to be able to use lat= ex, would require using latex to print the document, which necessitates a new implementation. Do we have a latex implementation with the Official Gnu Software? Will see with Gavn what capabilities exist for algorithms constructs and how far can we go before we require the package. It would be benefici= al for me to know how far we go with org before we require the package as we= ll. Felicitations Christopher > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 11:02 AM > From: "Tim Cross" > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Subject: Re: example paper written in org completely > > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > > It is a good package, but since it is inactive, org-mode could assimil= ate > > it so people can use it, rather than in the form of an external packag= e. > > I don't see any advantage in doing this. It is simple to include the > package. Furthermore, if we start to bundle it, we also take on more > responsibility for ensuring it works etc. Besides, where do we then > 'draw the line' - there are lots of additional and useful Latex > packages, many of which are probably even more commonly used, such as > some of the packages which extend/enhance tables, code listings, etc. > > > > > Defining the structure of an algorithm in a document is of value. > > Can one do something similar using current code or does the algorithmi= cx > > package have some more pleasant capabilities? > > > > The algorithmicx package does add some useful functionality wrt > formatting algorithms, but only for Latex exports. Just > bundling the latex package with org will not change the existing > situation - it will still only be functionality available with latex > exports. All it *might* do is remove the requirement to install the > latex package and add it to your export headers. > > Having similar functionality which is back end agnostic and based on > just org syntax would be useful for some users. However, this would > involve re-implementation of what the latex package does in elisp and > adding code to the export layer to interpret the new structures > appropriately. The big question is whether anyone has sufficient > interest and desire for this functionality to actually do the work. > > My gut feeling is that the number of people who need this functionality > who are not satisfied witih the current situation is too small to reach > the level of critical mass that would see this requirement realised. > > > > >> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 at 8:04 PM > >> From: "Eric S Fraga" > >> To: "Christopher Dimech" > >> Cc: "Emacs Org mode mailing list" > >> Subject: Re: example paper written in org completely > >> > >> On Thursday, 17 Jun 2021 at 19:19, Christopher Dimech wrote: > >> > The algorithmicx latex package has a very annoying licence, the LaT= eX > >> > Project Public License. Although a free software license, it > >> > incompatible with the GPL with many requirements. > >> > >> And? I'm not sure of the relevance. I use many LaTeX packages when > >> writing. Whether they are GPL or not is rather secondary, in my view= . > >> > >> -- > >> : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4.6-551-gf70e36 > >> : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096 > >> > > > -- > Tim Cross > >