* algorithm capabilities for org-mode @ 2021-06-17 17:32 Christopher Dimech 2021-06-18 9:22 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-06-17 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Help Emacs Orgmode There exists the algorithmicx package on https://ctan.org/pkg/algorithmicx that people use. But it comes under the "LaTeX Project Public License". It was done Szász János and released in 2005, but is today inactive. It would be beneficial if org-mode could have similar functionality for algorithms as a built-in capability. ----- Christopher Dimech Administrator General - Naiad Informatics - Gnu Project Society has become too quick to pass judgement and declare someone Persona Non-Grata, the most extreme form of censure a country can bestow. In a new era of destructive authoritarianism, I support Richard Stallman. Times of great crisis are also times of great opportunity. I call upon you to make this struggle yours as well ! https://stallmansupport.org/ https://www.fsf.org/ https://www.gnu.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: algorithm capabilities for org-mode 2021-06-17 17:32 algorithm capabilities for org-mode Christopher Dimech @ 2021-06-18 9:22 ` Eric S Fraga 2021-06-18 13:39 ` Christopher Dimech 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2021-06-18 9:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christopher Dimech; +Cc: Help Emacs Orgmode On Thursday, 17 Jun 2021 at 19:32, Christopher Dimech wrote: > It was done Szász János and released in 2005, but is today inactive. Inactive does not mean not useful. The package works and works well. There is really no need for "activity" on it. I fail to see the need to re-invent the wheel. What is the motivation? -- : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4.6-555-g5a03ad : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* algorithm capabilities for org-mode 2021-06-18 9:22 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2021-06-18 13:39 ` Christopher Dimech 2021-06-18 14:06 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-06-18 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: Help Emacs Orgmode > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 at 9:22 PM > From: "Eric S Fraga" <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> > To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com> > Cc: "Help Emacs Orgmode" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> > Subject: Re: algorithm capabilities for org-mode > > On Thursday, 17 Jun 2021 at 19:32, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > It was done Szász János and released in 2005, but is today inactive. > > Inactive does not mean not useful. The package works and works > well. There is really no need for "activity" on it. > > I fail to see the need to re-invent the wheel. What is the motivation? > -- > : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4.6-555-g5a03ad > : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096 The license released under is incompatible with the GPL. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: algorithm capabilities for org-mode 2021-06-18 13:39 ` Christopher Dimech @ 2021-06-18 14:06 ` Eric S Fraga 2021-06-18 17:53 ` Christopher Dimech 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2021-06-18 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christopher Dimech; +Cc: Help Emacs Orgmode On Friday, 18 Jun 2021 at 15:39, Christopher Dimech wrote: > The license released under is incompatible with the GPL. So? It doesn't stop anybody using it. It's not as if we need to ship it with org, for instance. Are you going to propose we also re-implement all the other packages many of us use, e.g. tikz, geometry, chemfig, ... -- : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4.6-557-gceb78e : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* algorithm capabilities for org-mode 2021-06-18 14:06 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2021-06-18 17:53 ` Christopher Dimech 2021-06-18 22:28 ` Tim Cross 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Christopher Dimech @ 2021-06-18 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: Help Emacs Orgmode > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 2:06 AM > From: "Eric S Fraga" <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> > To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com> > Cc: "Help Emacs Orgmode" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> > Subject: Re: algorithm capabilities for org-mode > > On Friday, 18 Jun 2021 at 15:39, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > The license released under is incompatible with the GPL. > > So? It doesn't stop anybody using it. It's not as if we need to ship > it with org, for instance. Are you going to propose we also > re-implement all the other packages many of us use, e.g. tikz, geometry, > chemfig, ... Those tend to be quite complex. algorithmicx, not so much. It would be most natural to have in emacs because algorithm display is most favourable to use to describe programming techniques. Perhaps emacs could absorb it, rather than org. > -- > : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4.6-557-gceb78e > : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096 > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: algorithm capabilities for org-mode 2021-06-18 17:53 ` Christopher Dimech @ 2021-06-18 22:28 ` Tim Cross 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Tim Cross @ 2021-06-18 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> writes: >> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 2:06 AM >> From: "Eric S Fraga" <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> >> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com> >> Cc: "Help Emacs Orgmode" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> >> Subject: Re: algorithm capabilities for org-mode >> >> On Friday, 18 Jun 2021 at 15:39, Christopher Dimech wrote: >> > The license released under is incompatible with the GPL. >> >> So? It doesn't stop anybody using it. It's not as if we need to ship >> it with org, for instance. Are you going to propose we also >> re-implement all the other packages many of us use, e.g. tikz, geometry, >> chemfig, ... > > Those tend to be quite complex. algorithmicx, not so much. It would > be most natural to have in emacs because algorithm display is most > favourable to use to describe programming techniques. > > Perhaps emacs could absorb it, rather than org. I think there needs to be more clarity about what the objective is here. My reading of the initial suggestion was to have the functionality provided by the Latex package available natively in org mode (not requiring the latex package and supported by all export formats). I don't think there is any benefit from bundling the latex package into org mode (or emacs). For those who do want to use it, they just include it as you do with any other Latex package. Everything works fine. However, there might be an argument to have a generic 'algorithms' mode, which would use only org syntax to express algorithm structure (or possibly a #+begin_algorithm block) which is supported by all export backends so that you can have nice type setting of algorithms in all exported formats. Something similar to table mode in concept. While it might be possible to 'borrow' some of the ideas from the Latex package, this would need to be a completely new implementation and would therefore have its own license (GPL if org or Emacs). This would likely be a fairly substantial piece of work as it would also be necessary to 'teach' the backends about this new 'structure' and how to present it in final output. This does seem like rather 'niche' functionality - only a subset of org users are likely to want this feature and only a subset of those are needing it outside existing Latex exports. I'm not sure if the additional code and maintenance it introduces can be justified. However, if someone has a sufficient itch to implement this functionality as an add-on/contrib package, it could be an interesting project and if it turned out to be popular/useful for a wider audience, it could then be brought into org mode or Emacs later. -- Tim Cross ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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