From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id cKXVHlS+WmN6JQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:22:28 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id KAgMHlS+WmM0vgAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:22:28 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 256FB88FF for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:22:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oo6Z5-0000oy-T6; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:21:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oo6Yx-00084K-RQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:21:07 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oo6Ys-0007sZ-DK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:20:59 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oo6Yp-0003Fq-LG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2022 19:20:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Max Nikulin Subject: Re: [off-topic] E-readers and Org-Mode Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 00:20:46 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87o7u24ll0.fsf@posteo.net> <877d0ooro8.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.2 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 26 X-Spam_score: 2.6 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Perhaps conversion of handwritten notes to text should be delegated to a laptop or a PC. On 25/10/2022 23:59, Ken Mankoff wrote: > See also Dasung NotEReader. Full Android tablet, no lockdown like the > ReMarkable. Looks fast - can watch YouTube videos for example. If it's > really full Android, then it should be able to install and run emacs > natively. 10.3 or 7.8 inch versions. I see that definitely it is possible, but I am unsure it is more convenient than OLED or LCD tablet. 4 regimes for screen is an indicator of some complications. Choice of Android may be a way to avoid development of custom UI. I have not checked if it is possible to build custom Android variant, unlock bootloader and still get comparable performance. Where was a period when LCD monitors were slow in comparison to CRT ones and people complained concerning annoying trails on dynamic images... > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 08:27 Fraga, Eric wrote: > > On Tuesday, 25 Oct 2022 at 21:37, Max Nikulin wrote: > > E-ink displays are slow (my device was manufactured 15 years ago .. > E-ink displays are getting significantly faster, with some claiming 60 > Hz refresh rates (cf. the PineNote).  Often, however, they are tied to > low power and low performance processors given their use case: mostly > reading with some annotations. There is no reason to install high performance CPU if the goal is to get time between battery charging noticeably longer that for regular gadgets. Highest refresh rate means 5W power consumption in the case of PineNote. It is not apparent for not-ereader, but I see the same black and back flickering magic to fight with ghosts and to achieve uniform background with high contrast on remarkable. My impression is that change in time to pass whole cycle is not dramatic. Likely long enough pause is necessary to let particles orientation to settle.