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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1666184060; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=cJG88D454KUm50OBu996/Y1c0KP1OcLMN/NT0pp8QVw=; b=tZt2hLarkC+KA5jDbcvCu0hjXUhOJ3ks34SVuvzuwy59fur5VTF2rfIEfPRSdrqz6TIcK8 6J0YDAVl7cKzp2hJb6VdL5O/M1egi1kQjSUxY3ujhmONyThWCeVoEtWevJe4kSP/bB6tqn 0Kp9XBt49IJXR0QUbXOFie9LM2cOTLCpFzcWLz5dDaN2kQPk+CP9Bmz64f/WgMNJuqQFcJ wirCVuGnD9OIwv5XXB1/AO/7l/UlvGTV/1fm5HVELthlJbb+vdLvmvhJ0MhlYmFjds3++U ck2AX65X76/aasYE6q3ySfOqinFv/YZfOqcqnIMULS8nfkKz5uAMULXrkQp8YQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1666184060; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jD3spY6awaOailEGXeDo67jEum3cAKPecRv/OawKwopCgshOgKlK+IBH6wd5QNlxdziKUB a1kpty9zw+9y8c7nolG7qZ/RS0qlTweMWZ7/ALGdOjMJrrsbbLGj4pfNTJcatRduS6zKnM ezWVcju76zrLp7rApd/SPAa0baukS68JxjsituFYyPu1BVnkGK23C/14YdKgVVC9MoL7F6 paXU3s9clYAz5hrxp+9B7HWoBFEwdov05Wi+a9iqiBl1vXeUyQiRKFCSJbodXqHrkRzyDQ m+yogsqThR4lUb00Ri1GN0L8Xb0oA+uth+PtLyI4Q2aRJRtwDplBJouTLhiURA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 4.27 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 30FBB1D4C1 X-Spam-Score: 4.27 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: j4d5E4dLeooM On 17/10/2022 18:54, Jean Louis wrote: > > Though for that, we can't steer users to review non-free software as > that means to let them give up on their freedom. I am unsure who has intention to steer users to non-free software. There was a message mentioning some application. I assume that the person was just unaware of strict rules. It will happen in future as well and I am against excessively aggressive reaction. The person may be already familiar with that non-free apps. We had a chance to ask about features missed in free applications and actual experience. Perhaps the same tasks may be performed in a bit different and less obvious way and no modification of Org and Co is required. However you insist that we have to through away such possibilities and adding outcome from such conversations to web site is prohibited, so it makes it significantly harder to use obtained information in later discussions. Better balanced position is necessary otherwise it would be just weakness in communication with people who do not care if some software is free. > I find it unfortunate that some people create proprietary software > that uses Org files. It sounds like you regret about absence of a kind of vendor lock. File formats and communication protocols must be free. There are enough examples when free software can not be developed due to lack of specifications. Why would you expect cooperation from vendors if you wish to have fences at your side in similar cases? It is more productive to consider proprietary apps as feature requests and to put efforts into improving of Org suite.