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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1657559373; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=koJNX8AM8le88FZUtspO7U8AoivZ9++2JIjQH9EzYHY=; b=ttiFPrcV3zmreg6Cu31g3gZJdkN+ubJItVJIrrP/vsx2YP69M7y6/v699MZdOx20BdMxq7 novQUQU62oTr6T6q0FcyvQ81bIVsWDvFIUAg8hcN8glTMGy1bI644NFhfi+TVBqgTDkwCe NnxUTzBXlV+hXNfznwMvOdfwtoA7Bcs75AblclovNOUiRSrck2olZcd5MhL2ApBRCk0cil ezOOONPTLWgUnW3FTSsTXZKGkFaRXzthUJiEfHaXvDvCv/dpTXacVQfwXitT+PlSsqT6DZ 1DHHVsSTMWbq0svsAKInZaKiCSjnz2Vw8NXpaxGFCNKLa2LyLmyvy55GiPq82A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1657559373; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=d0B5b5u00ZkoXtaFhC1CsxAIyNqaaupvGCW1d/DxFM/lsBV8+2/yXKz69BmdynwYEVdCYl YB3oAvIghWqWLCsPumaOM9qMU4q6NHz56Z5mcG0/RXZtla7mXL5ieUBf5aMnH4vbYDFN5j CvJqM0WeTdUsjHc4+Qr5/X1Wn6+f0bhzT/4wQNpVpbshyK4ye2RlYrGumdyp7/QG4Gv80T kToUnQOo6FlOZdOdTc4hzkQXiWbi7tT/6dG3AJ92Lj/sa21qSTVBKddvimQxuWjT6tZpuw Ufrfxc1dwZVXM8o50kmrHTZtTicBe8yKjaHtE3xsezK6wuuCAEqMsb/pC/iDvQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 3.75 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CB8C1C6F0 X-Spam-Score: 3.75 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 1UdtQT4vXEfv On 10/07/2022 03:22, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > > LuaTeX and XeTeX are > digital typesetting systems. They are not word processors. I have skimmed through the discussion happened exactly a year ago https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/scuirf$m7o$1@ciao.gmane.io/ and I should repeat that you are too much concentrated on books and carefully designed camera-ready files. LaTeX is a kind of word processor as well in the sense that it is used for notes that are not intended to be published. In some cases it is merely a tool to make readable a text heavy loaded with math. Balance of efforts and quality is quite different. As much as possible should be delegated to "word processor". Forcing users to select particular fonts makes documents less portable, it increases a chance that a colleague does not have a font installed on your machine or you get a file requiring a proprietary font you do not have. For such quick notes the feature currently provided by browser, office, etc. is indispensable: list of implicit fallbacks to find some available font having glyphs missed in the primary fonts. I do not mind that LuaLaTeX alleviated issues with configuring of fonts, so it is more convenient for books or decorated documents. Personally I was quite happy with PdfLaTeX fonts I get out of the box without necessity to override ≥ 6 font families. I did not use hieroglyphs or fancy Unicode characters, but with LuaLaTeX they anyway require setting of additional fonts. My current impression is that LuaLaTeX may be significant step forward for publishers, but for quick notes it is a kind of trade-off.