From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stephen Eglen Subject: Re: Difficulty of using Org mode Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:09:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1338675698.75401.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <87k3znsi7p.fsf@gnu.org> <1338795999.46507.YahooMailNeo@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34341) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SbvO8-0008Qy-9M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:09:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SbvO4-0001vj-Qw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:09:39 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:50768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SbvO4-0001vH-Jr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:09:36 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SbvO0-0003ZP-U0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:09:32 +0200 Received: from rgc.damtp.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.17.127]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:09:32 +0200 Received: from S.J.Eglen by rgc.damtp.cam.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:09:32 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Cc: Stephen Eglen As Yihui was following up to an email of mine about Org mode on the ESS (emacs speaks statistics list), I will email him to find out if I can see what issues he had. For the record: I also found learning Org mode quite challenging, and I consider myself a diehard Emacs person. I guess if you were to ask me what I found difficult, was that it was quite overwhelming knowing where to start. (So I started small by learning the agenda features...) Stephen Michael Hannon writes: > Bastien wrote: > >>Michael Hannon writes: >> >>> Hi, folks.  Just FYI: >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>>>From: Yihui Xie >>>>To: Stephen Eglen >>>>Cc: ESS-help@r-project.org >>>>Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 3:08 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [ESS] knitr >>>> >>>>There is no point comparing markdown with org mode, and the answer >>>>will be definitely this: org mode can beat markdown almost everywhere; >>>>they are not even comparable. The point is that markdown was not >>>>designed to provide new features; it was designed to be simple so it >>>>intentionally discarded lots of features and people can learn it >>>>quickly. I have tried a few times to learn org mode, and it is just >>>>too complicated for me. >> >> Well, it all boils down to disambiguate what "learning Org" means. >> > >> It is hard to say just from the message above.  If you can, please redirect >> the OP to this list so that he feels guided in tasks he wants to do with >> Org. > > Hi, Bastien.  I don't know this guy, but I don't think he's *trying* to learn > Org mode at this point.  He seems to be a very capable guy: > >     http://yihui.name/ > > and is evidently the author of the R package "knitr" for literate programming. > > I was just struck by the fact that a person of his evident ability would give > up on Org mode.  I can't say it has been all that easy for me to use Org mode, > and I'm sure there are Avogadro's number of things I still don't know about > it, but I've never viewed it is being *that* difficult.  Probably I've been > spoiled by all the help I've gotten from this enormously useful list. > > There's no real action item for anybody here.  I speculate that this guy might > just have had more fun writing his own package than in learning somebody > else's.  But I don't see how it could hurt for the Org-mode community to keep > an eye out for usability issues. > > -- Mike