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Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:00:40 -0400. https://list.orgmode.org/m24k3jnq0k.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu > [cite/na/b:@key] or [cite/noauthor/bare:@key] to mean \citeyear{key}? > > Why wouldn't it be \citetitle? or \citeurl, or \citedate? or even, > \citenum? > > I get it, you can define [cite/noauthor/year:] or even [cite/year:] or > [cite/y:] and even [cite/citeyear:] to get the command in there, and > something for each of those other ones. Maybe even the documented > convention will change to some other potentially mnemonic form. It seems, no backends uses hierarchy of substyles. Please, correct me, I may be wrong since I was BibTeX user and have not tried BibLaTeX. I have an idea to consider each component started from slash as independent boolean flags (or constraints), so they can be reordered /author/bare/caps = /caps/bare/author For citeproc.el it is a natural mapping since e.g. noauthor is implemented as a value of suppress-author parameter. For BibTeX commands it may be described as set of properties, so the code discards ones inconsistent with provided criteria. E.g. (:bare t :author nil :noauthor t :full nil) for \citeyear, :caps does not matter. As at was suggested earlier, /year modifier existing in oc-csl should be implemented for oc-natbib. [cite/author/noauthor:...] should generate a warning as an impossible combination and fallback to defaults. The origin of the proposal is the following part of the discussion: Bruce D'Arcus, Tue, 29 Mar 2022 12:14:03 -0400 https://list.orgmode.org/CAF-FPGOCm5m5jZSOu-37V77Me76EWwg_xcd4d7k30ffXS0HyQg@mail.gmail.com > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:23 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > >> It seems modifiers are set of boolean flags (positive "year" or negative >> "suppress-author") in citeproc.el, set of values in natbib, and a kind >> of hierarchy in org-cite. From my point of view, set of constrains >> (flags) is the most general variant in this list. > > I think that's right, and is how it's represented in a GUI app like > Zotero. But that's not so convenient in a plain text format. I may easily miss something important making such idea broken. At least it looks like a backward-compatible change if old /caps-full is mapped to new /caps/full (or /full/caps).