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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648471063; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=zFjOnpCl5sVQjm18GGNy8IQxW72Yg8MMiGNgGuLUIQU=; b=o7VvF222GLJuoOSjow6x8mWg4s6vSUS9K0YPWd7vHM1WCHr39iKFma7VIFusRDlUovHtDN lslJJEd9YSSLTZhPyS53AHbQKPXY22r2r6foZqhOP9D0tXWvy4lPv6hzQzdV26VJTOXG6I W0QwYcpgI03I8oYaC7ucTWLHw9oSa9SIVnbWHnw8/AIVQyqI8aAqvSrzifPnNQPn3+sZFa EXa4VjW3tj9l/BnePNZOtra+TeDC88Q2MYRRcsRJomkggNXgwIGC5CTaa1uayVPACw8x4y qLpFNMQWEx3qpQjUzxpf1otv45WF45ACiLK3uIoL13QeIRHIBPtujaOBBiIQcg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648471063; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=C+/Q1vhh/3HBpz3OyZSUq4Q/4sGp0GRoT7/zZ4Cp19XniNtbyO0YKXL+iJ3IM6CABA09I+ oBMVE9Yv3xp4YO1qQbQpjAEnkNx+w+KeTEua2UoANxsuqpUbccCe19A3jawyIUgvanto11 zHkNC20mMHChM84a/hss2ntpkMcv3EbQIZ34a8igA+bayBLBotZCMfM4xyoRG5XxQzHKEh Te8xBXIJeCrDYrgT5Q7I6CyxBxd6G6rIg4+V8tXXx/ZgPEeaZpw5w7KrO8q0ExlU17pahc E/92BCEHrjLALrMJxucosE1PCBjs4o2ROETLFBiHcwzcMpyPFc3D7tqfOmwexA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 3.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7CE96C3C1 X-Spam-Score: 3.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: MDdVYpAN7o71 On 28/03/2022 02:40, John Kitchin wrote: > Max Nikulin writes: >> On 21/03/2022 18:51, John Kitchin wrote: > > Rather than rehash a lot of experiences, I really encourage you to try > writing a processor that can support this. Or even, try modifying > org-ref-cite to support it. Not as some thought experiment about what > should be possible, but an actual experiment that is worked out. I have some ideas for links, other inline objects and export attributes that I should try before. >> In particular I am worrying concerning https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref >> README (and the same phrase from the earlier message): >> >>> org-cite does not meet my citation and technical document publishing needs, >>> and it was not possible to integrate it into org-ref without compromising >>> those. > > I have taken this out of the readme. I still agree with the sentiment, > but my needs are not the same as others (for example, I include in my > needs include ease of support and development, which is not a user > need), and it is possible to meet some basic needs fully. John, in another message (Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:00:40 -0400) https://list.orgmode.org/m24k3jnq0k.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu you clearly stated a technical limitation that is a real reason why org-cite is not an option for you and for some other users: performance has not been optimized for large BibTeX databases. It is deserved to be mentioned. You even have managed to convince me that, besides adding missing style names, some existing ones should be adjusted. noauthor/bare for citeyear example makes for me much more sense than general words that org-cite is too CSL-oriented. So the opinion that the set of styles has not really settled yet may be precious for users choosing between org-cite and org-ref. From my point of view such arguments are more clear than your earlier message (Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400) https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu I had no intention to force to remove that phrase before the issues are fixed. I was trying to ask you about more details behind your opinion (and now we have them).