From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:41:52 +0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <t1cn7h$8tq$1@ciao.gmane.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF-FPGObXjzzJTxorbGXgfU-dB2s=xeV9GJaT85yLMaOKkm6SA@mail.gmail.com>
On 21/03/2022 22:19, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 10:41 AM Max Nikulin wrote:
>
>> A bit of routine work will alleviate some user issues:
>> - add missed styles
>
> The initial list of style-command mappings was pretty comprehensive,
> but we left out some of the more obscure biblatex commands because
> unsure if they were needed, or how best to add them (conceptually
> there's a mix of different kinds of commands in biblatex, which are
> hard to fit into a more general style system, for example).
>
> Since then:
>
> - people have occasionally asked to add new mappings, and Nicolas has added them
> - he's also added the styles defcustoms for biblatex, so users can do
> this themselves
>
> In short, I think we're good on this actually.
John Kitchin, this thread, Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400.
https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu:
> I don't know the equivalent of \citenum in CSL.
From my point of view it may be a reason to add a new style to
defaults. It is important whether a tool works out of the box. Custom
variables make a document less portable unless they are specified as
file-local ones. I think, the goal may be formulated as "John can not
say the following any more" (at least in respect to citations leaving
aside cross-references):
> I simply cannot
> compromise on the capability org-ref provides me, or wait for an
> alternative complete solution in org-mode.
On the other hand I do not consider the following argument as a strong one
> I do not like the abstraction away from LaTeX cite commands in org-cite.
> This is an example of a compromise between LaTeX and CSL.
despite I believe that convenience and habits are important. Mapping of
styles to commands is just a piece of knowledge.
I have no particular opinion if enough efforts should be invested from
both sides to allow mixing on both citation syntax constructs (org-cite
and org-ref) in the same document. Bruce, you made a lot for support of
CSL in org-cite, so I will stressed another direction of feature
comparison since Bib(La)TeX users should feel themselves first-class
citizens.
The choice between org-ref and org-cite, when the former can do its job,
should be matter of taste and personal preferences unrelated to
technical limitations.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-22 14:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-20 12:08 citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0 Vikas Rawal
2022-03-20 13:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-03-20 14:08 ` Vikas Rawal
2022-03-20 14:38 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-21 0:31 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-21 1:39 ` Timothy
2022-03-21 8:16 ` Dominik Schrempf
2022-03-21 11:51 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-21 12:34 ` Dominik Schrempf
2022-03-21 12:52 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-21 13:05 ` Dominik Schrempf
2022-03-21 13:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-23 21:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-03-23 21:53 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-23 22:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-03-23 22:47 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-24 10:04 ` Dominik Schrempf
2022-03-21 12:19 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-21 12:42 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-21 14:06 ` John Kitchin
2022-04-19 22:37 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-21 3:27 ` Vikas Rawal
2022-03-21 11:51 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-21 17:20 ` Vikas Rawal
2022-03-25 15:53 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-27 15:33 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-27 15:44 ` Vikas Rawal
2022-03-25 17:10 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-26 12:41 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-27 19:40 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-28 12:34 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-28 13:16 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-29 15:22 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-29 16:14 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-30 13:50 ` Denis Maier
2022-03-31 15:10 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-31 17:27 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-04-02 11:41 ` org-cite, CSL styles and space before citation Max Nikulin
2022-03-30 21:43 ` citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0 John Kitchin
2022-03-21 12:59 ` juh
2022-03-22 13:03 ` indieterminacy
2022-03-23 21:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-03-27 17:00 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-27 23:17 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-21 14:40 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-21 15:19 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-21 17:00 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-25 15:21 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-22 14:41 ` Max Nikulin [this message]
2022-03-22 17:20 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-23 12:44 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-23 14:39 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-23 15:26 ` Eric S Fraga
2022-03-23 17:17 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-23 22:50 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-26 19:08 ` M. Pger
2022-03-22 23:52 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-03-23 16:30 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-23 23:04 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-03-25 16:30 ` Max Nikulin
2022-03-27 15:38 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-27 23:18 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-20 13:32 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-20 13:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-03-20 18:12 ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-03-20 20:13 ` Dominik Schrempf
2022-03-20 20:30 ` Vikas Rawal
2022-03-20 20:34 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-20 22:10 ` Dominik Schrempf
2022-03-20 19:44 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2022-03-20 21:14 ` chris
2022-03-21 14:21 ` John Kitchin
2022-03-21 14:10 ` John Kitchin
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