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[9.5.2 (9.5.2-gfbff08 @ /home/ignacio/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.5.2/)] Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:04:29 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87mthw8b74.fsf@gmail.com> <87tuc0mjjj.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 28 X-Spam_score: 2.8 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1647345942; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=EP8yEazScuFiMJwSvl8/B2qiQN5CjpEnQG57wX3ZjdQ=; b=c5qdBfnThlinY3Iujak0oyw4FlZjlrZ743LRCdWDlr5ec/Mf7sMogwEIVBFAAG9KIxGxFC g1zqVVShFogBSMVFJAuQk5ufj1RzG9/3Q0Y0RZNBmeAfgsGtFuosS/OvpiiPxKAx6LtevU ukOwkKXwqtk+y3hbabRUti6IFVJDcSKlfpvh+zRTwDapOGtPQSsSRymvBtkl9vN5e2/xsT +FZLXrXgby1QHsKAldjYFmLJVOV92JFl8qAEX5+XO1KsuV4JwHVeM3fMIpW01s6UAc5KNF vj1ZDj8ep59HGj8pjHb/QTyZOJhbFY++t8BEulsYo3TdxRR19+EnKN6bhj7iIA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1647345942; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GSjHn3vKda8MX9n0Uah6ulXZsae8Z2d85+uDW/dsBfDkKZJl9Sxivq1K2dvaUTOefZINjd IvSMz36OUwutf+4OKUGY8p17JwyI7+fjwEpG1D6dvccZe00ZzoTE+5qkOxVaHuvAn8AaN/ Oiw9y9EgtKDPoZDH09dxFvuVnyHdlG/hNFRnsmxIA/lQfFRVtQgb2Lkl+my4wW2jWlvd7/ +ws2hWkNTpRuTeykLx8ATCqrrcGrFEvd/VmzQKUcpPA5p2O0kMqGoFgXWcv86QhWVkysIU ibSaqOQekFi+c1xpczNkV8UXwmcHQWt+TZpewOvgMZYmZhRHkJepLZph7dXrsg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.53 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BF9B7313E1 X-Spam-Score: 2.53 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ROGfMdUxf706 On 15/03/2022 02:43, Ignacio Casso wrote: > I've also investigated the issue a little bit further and wrote and > email with my conclusions about the same time Max wrote his. I comment > inline about a few of your thoughts: > >> For `defcustom' autoload generates no more than >> >> (defvar org-capture-templates nil "...") >> >> It seems, behavior depends on whether `org-capture-templates' has the :set >> attribute. > > Not really, all defcustoms have a :set attribute, be it passed > explicitly as a parameter or the default value, set-default. This issue > happens with all autoload functions that use a custom variable: if they > are called inside a let form binding that variable and the feature was > not loaded yet, the let-binding will have no effect. To avoid misunderstanding. I was testing with Emacs-26.3 (Ubuntu-20.04 focal LTS system package) and did not explicitly set lexical binding cookie in an .el file. However defcustom autoloading was assumed. ;; simulate effect of ;;;###autoload (defvar org-capture-templates nil) (defun print-org-capture-templates () (message "print-org-capture-templates") (pp org-capture-templates) (message "-----")) (let ((org-capture-templates '(("d" "default" entry (file "/tmp/capture-test.org") "* %?")))) (print-org-capture-templates) (require 'org-capture) (print-org-capture-templates)) Second call of print-org-capture templates prints nil with original definition of `org-capture-templates' but it prints locally let-bound value if I comment out the :set attribute. I am not disputing any observation from your thorough study mid:PAXPR06MB7760A3031924BA897FD082E4C60F9@PAXPR06MB7760.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (it seems message delivery took several hours, so I noticed it after I sent my message). Maybe it is reasonable to expect that let-binding should work with autoloading. I believe that loading of a file should be performed inside top-level scope, so it should ignore let-bound values. It is fragile when let-binding may affect global value of defcustom. However following call of just loaded function should be performed with regular stack of dynamic scopes. I am unsure if such behavior is feasible with elisp implementation.