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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638789432; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=RmDBrgnk8jLPfwZ+5kY6Js0NBk9zU5afIDRHRby6AnI=; b=j2ii6k1m2/FiwAxm5x2YCjOttBMgCRQzoqr/CujQVnasuY0acI97JGy4uVucU9qy4qmOgg 6wO4CAREiBgpleXnM/r9DutNyspmDTqkArLMvkUKsbTnXs17ny+PTJGoaGvRLII7GoHpci J9KXZpsBHUZL5mtAC1Z9Q0W/b68wAS98UDmbLY9rejM6ooPOdCoV12ELBMXo+TsmD7PkYK 5tRo9hYlqpoA+L+mr70AyL20oB5ic0LSb/hFn+UjFtrQaJka8y3nLAdVEfY2XBTAvfPUT+ 1/OL5uYj8hNoI0e3KHwbVaaapxuaCJ/Z3anitSpAfjj6b2WwbImKywwEu+LhdA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638789432; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=KVMASLyG8aB5Ftg6GYLTky4q474Aok4THnlUtPBTbtgFBbYFRd0CZ3Yij0g7gmldtJKxYQ HfVIb20SYrOPtgNi7WJ1tlGD7qbWY3bQedUj+PtdIZh8BwjQEbdz/4reDamMph06RMhnRx vzAu37nl1gf9r8AF5WfsRaqBzZakl0Pnnu+no4S6Bk/JUquWQDgMEtmsFky+Buga2MvoRI q4fDU5C+Xj1v3vZ9QteKqDjW4WaBQyVb479v323GE01ERB50/4BMAiNG+NL3WGJVbhCxzq X9B3/a+X0taW+hJC0hbP+kvoqvGvm/Ibqv3te+oono65qCPIH75aawgpJiqtjg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DE7EA3D4E2 X-Spam-Score: -2.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: EskTLBdWX1BZ On 05/12/2021 14:35, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > The recent spike of discussions following Karl's presentation in > Emacsconf 2021 revealed a lot of controversy among Org and Emacs > enthusiasts. Yet, Karl named a number of very real problems surrounding > Org mode usage outside Emacs. > > WDYT? Ihor, I like your ideas and, I hope, they may be expressed in a way that does not cause such irritation and negative reaction. After all, I suppose, nobody is regretting that it is possible to convert text from a set of formats to Org using pandoc which it is not a part of Emacs.