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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638631633; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=y2cOmEdJEz+kd71DP/smT9+roW92BhD3UvV/Nk5dcGE=; b=WcASX0vbBm6tUFjX4fZs0y15jcVy112/+5Oivlalms7dD6RyGgihdtHQ3xohNhfNHini4o ldgSEvIppyCN8cvfeQ7FUOqJDgFG3mBNOvdNJBHQcDXU9uphzBBqub/bRb9PXEl0TAWY2I 055UhBEwU+m6EUzW9b0RTNBBjoHH+FgFFf5WJahvlnFsVbsl8vsa12qbigsdZJD1Qebjgh ejbOW3C7ijKjxS4RV5PT5fj5rhv/64aWQtBOyciW0Og29wW+D6LcutBrzkuxjlWqcdhGzP vseSQrq1dzXe2OEtpP/Sc08eUzCYg3Ottvv8J8wUKrq+qa+EaLHJ/ezcOXGncQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638631633; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=kf47zuiyKi2HTL85cSKnRh39GndC5tF6x/m1zuM2ShwYo1IP+aWy0GQeCIClT3sZ62o7IW GkpVKvJbsATdk0G5xXjo79JmDD4ZWVVbYRhU/7AbQ7de2n3d7c9WqJvNyYPxQqs3qWURaJ 6JImsZCePjxu3DA2pUGAhbXgyFea2YnhX2Ktxjrc8M4vkRZu9eHqMNetWXFksbtCzICxtq qn3PLJ4cdyGE3Oput/XuJGjWoteAcUC/U4ebin0XZdLBNtnRclFue5+nnQVHa5KPf3NCEl 6uaDAtVGP/23+2OjtQc3k2E8DWhXNlOqE1YVuZniXrUg/e0pGrZBxQmxqqRG9g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5815736069 X-Spam-Score: -2.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ywm58TM+4cjI On 04/12/2021 04:48, Tim Cross wrote: > > My vote is to simply maintain the status quo. Don't modify the syntax, > don't make the zero space character somewhat special or processed in any > special way during export. In short, accept that inner word markup has > only limited support and if that is a requirement which is critical to > your use case, accept that org mode may not be the right solution for > your requirements. Tim, you are skeptical concerning usage of Org markup outside of Emacs. Though some subscribers of this list support such idea with hope for collaboration with colleagues and for other reasons. Status quo in respect to similar questions increases risk that other tools will adapt different workarounds and incompatible dialects will appear. From the point of view of popularizing Org it is better to make some decision: either zero-width space should become a part of syntax or some other printable marker should be chosen to suppress effect of Org markup or vice versa to activate some construct.