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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1633184509; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=RIwAwbnlcDMA6A485kE8l+MSnKJ8ffhUkLzuef1lDyg=; b=EpCIkODjAcD/Qj39X8ZyHNc0i6oGLewWxlwD2W3tWDgRiIQjLbck8Uv7z628DsUwqC2bmp yeEGmzCXK9PKJfSgBTqw9WoNIlA7Ldfu9XPLN3s6UdRAqVM84DdmXBvU4+zqhFSW7L5B15 GagL1TPacmVV8Idakn1r02QWk9tIWXIbjP/rF7uyptKyQwiDAlO5jkQ7DYiIO1acBHzE7v tCIi4MUrbVwPGhvF055c6ahBd4B+g6wVxG7kAhNnwqovW3IQ/IkKirouXg8jUkWztHjZbb 25QypROPc9eTj1Z6iG8emWm12fElmZEJ47RVpvw7Qi5wTi+GCsVlQLNi65YjzQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1633184509; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=uH/TKedz0DFI8m96UuXdkhCTClU1COYbj8Lbi6uo1W4kvDj3G6pCrFC2uZi5BeR6G1R0fM iQQTrZn3Gs/LEaxavn44S68etOmsVVovavWlU4Dgf6c/5sVy+vQcbmmwdXqGIdQssI+gKh n9/MEum3//jJ5Wd4zRDN9gNPJMUbvAyU8ecIFRY4VdgEYA7200tvvYgMdg5yVts0ACOUNz bemH4d3UhcCxu8uPWXXzwmk6KoGlKzzAQOr61T2OjYlE923WPYONhXM9PVaN7veiOpxaBO PsZR9hs/Tnk5eTi+Msl8ejAky+64Dtuzo/Tg7jiY07K1J0Jn8gMtGHVL8tLjGQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.80 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 523EF2DD41 X-Spam-Score: -1.80 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9S/yPCALJY7l On 02/10/2021 18:24, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Saturday, 2 Oct 2021 at 18:18, Timothy wrote: >> I can’t help but think that this line of thinking is a bit of a trap, because > > I think you're right. Nicolas's view that we should not think of org as > a front-end for LaTeX is probably more to the point. As Stefan has > noted, how LaTeX processes \[...\] in the context of paragraphs is much > more complex (as it should be as typography is an incredibly difficult > task to do well, and TeX/LaTeX generally does it very well). Trying to > have org mirror LaTeX in some way is doomed to fail. > > I am happy with \[...\] being treated as an inline element. That is > more sympathetic to LaTeX than the opposite. \begin{equation} 1 != 2 \end{equation} does not start new paragraph in LaTeX and formats expression as a separate block in display math mode similar to \[ \]. However in Org \begin{equation} starts block element, so terminates preceding paragraph. At the same time Org export backend is transparent enough, so Org paragraphs separated by equation blocks may become parts of single paragraphs in LaTeX. So formatting paragraphs properly by LaTeX does not depend whether \[ \] is treated as inline object or as block-level element in Org. I really do not see a reason for idiosyncrasy that markup intended to add LaTeX snippet that looks like exactly as LaTeX commands for this purpose and even actually preserved during export to LaTeX should have different semantics for Org parser. It is rather a source of confusion and nothing more.