From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Greg Troxel Subject: Re: Org expert mode? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87vczre1eb.fsf@altern.org> <87hbbbe148.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38441 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pxf8i-0005dG-3x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pxf8d-0002bF-Hd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:45 -0500 Received: from fnord.ir.bbn.com ([192.1.100.210]:64947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pxf8d-0002aq-FD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:38:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87hbbbe148.fsf@gnu.org> (Bastien's message of "Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:11:35 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Bastien writes: > Bastien writes: > >> So I naturally thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when >> turned off, the UI would *not* give access to complex features > > More precisely: the UI would not _display_ complex features, which will > still be available anyway (of course). I started using org only last summer, and found it a little daunting, but reading the intro manual was easier than I thought. There are lots of complicated features, but I found it entirely easy to ignore exporting, clocking, and many others. Looking back, the hardest thing for a new person to learn is the keybindings for scheduling, priorities, etc. in both the org mode view and agenda view. I don't see where having a mode to turn on and off would help any of this. I can sort of see the point about the export help, but I type "C-e C-h h" so fast that it barely blinks by. (Were I still on dialup I would be cranky.) Overall, I suggest enumerating what changes ought to be made for non-expert mode, and then seeing if the complexity of having a mode is really worth it, rather than inventing a mechanism and then looking for ways to apply it. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (NetBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk14xlEACgkQ+vesoDJhHiVSDgCeIOlFH+3YMm5339uchucDMWqW PxMAoIkqus/oTGgkRv5GUJmO1eoTSLxZ =tsaw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--