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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 23:24:03 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87zh95g2ns.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu3hduk1.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo2lyvid.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0yldpuj.fsf@gmail.com> <20200730172204.GB17223@volibear> <87ime4ev3s.fsf@gmail.com> <20200730190331.GD17223@volibear> <878seyhj38.fsf@gmail.com> <87bljs6hph.fsf@gmail.com> <87r1so2u2b.fsf@yandex.com> <875za05l7v.fsf@gmail.com> <875z9y4cma.fsf@gmail.com> <87y2mt2s8v.fsf@gmail.com> <87zh78dlfv.fsf@gmail.com> <875z98v5o7.fsf@gmail.com> <873641zc28.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 In-Reply-To: <873641zc28.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/30 09:19:44 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 27 X-Spam_score: 2.7 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.59 X-TUID: mXzO6JYzZTQ1 01.09.2020 23:39, TEC wrote: > Maxim Nikulin writes: > >> Installation page >> >> I am uncertain if it is applicable for other editors, but I would >> like to see name of vim plugin since ambiguity (or matter of taste) >> exists.. FAQ suggests other vim plugins. I do not remember if I saw >> vim-outliner somewhere on orgmode.org. I have not tried any of >> these plugins. > > Each entry is a link to the extension/plugin in question, is this not > sufficient? I think that in respect to vim it is more complicated, so "Vim: see [[https://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#org-outlines-in-vim][FAQ]]" may be more appropriate. However FAQ entry should be updated. Certainly jceb/vim-ormode should be added. On the other hand I do not consider vim-orgmode as the absolute winner. VimOrganizer is not actively maintained but it supports table alignment. Unfortunately internal links require a fix. Recent https://github.com/axvr/org.vim , https://www.reddit.com/r/orgmode/comments/fbewla/orgvim_a_very_minimal_org_mode_and_outline_mode/ is very simple in comparison to projects mentioned above, but header folding and syntax highlighting work well. In FAQ it should be mentioned in addition to older http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1266 . I suppose, the choice depends on features the user is looking for. E.g. if neither agenda nor even syntax compatibility with org mode is required, any folding syntax rules with Utl.vim (universal text links) could be a viable alternative for a note-taking application with some spirit of org. It seems, it is difference of expectation that causes proliferation of plugins and bring lists like https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Script:List_of_scripts_for_outlining That is why I found the link that just looks as "vim" rather obscure and confusing. Even "vim: vim-orgmode plugin" item is better since a name of particular plugin is visible without additional actions as following the link or hovering it with mouse (if it is available). Explicitly presented name allows to recall it later. If you decide to update FAQ (maybe it is better to discuss it in a dedicated thread), please, do not wipe "obsolete" links completely. Some phrase "previously we recommended ..." could add a value for those who read the old variant and is trying to figure out where they saw such suggestion.