From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ulf Stegemann Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: (possibly) incompatible Change Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:58:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86sk7gooh2.fsf@portan.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> <3E3E058D-6BBD-4D9B-845D-3E13235EF0DC@gmail.com> <4BB3973D.3090305@comcast.net> <9667B267-935B-4DFB-800B-FC76DBCCBF28@gmail.com> <8739z8g3ul.fsf@ara.blue-cable.net> <871ves8t5f.fsf@ara.blue-cable.net> <2D73D1C7-5BEF-46D2-9A56-4F4321005550@gmail.com> <87wrwk7cf7.fsf@ara.blue-cable.net> <87mxxf8sht.fsf@ara.blue-cable.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NzTuE-0001kJ-TM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:58:50 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50296 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NzTuD-0001jP-In for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:58:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzTu7-0007rI-LP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:58:49 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:39447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzTu6-0007qw-IP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:58:43 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzTu3-00086V-2z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:58:39 +0200 Received: from london.zeitform.net ([146.140.213.100]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:58:39 +0200 Received: from ulf-news by london.zeitform.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:58:39 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Karsten, Karsten Heymann wrote: > Hi Ulf, > > Ulf Stegemann writes: >> However, I'd strongly oppose to the claim that compatibility to the >> latex compiler (vs. pdftex) is an academic problem. I know about >> several LaTeX based systems that have to use the latex compiler simply >> because pdftex can't handle eps graphics and converting those images >> isn't feasible. So, while in the current case there's no compatibility >> issue, I think it's reasonable to support both compilers. > > Are there still any systems in the wild that don't use pdftex for > latex/dvi mode? Don't be fooled by the name, when pdftex is called in > latex mode, it behaves exactly like the old tex/etex compiler and > generates the same dvi documents, supports dvips and so on. For example > on my Ubuntu 9.10 system 'latex -version' says: > > kheymann@ara:~$ latex -version > pdfTeX using libpoppler 3.141592-1.40.3-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.6) > kpathsea version 3.5.6 > Copyright 2007 Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). > Kpathsea is copyright 2007 Karl Berry and Olaf Weber. > There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is > covered by the terms of both the pdfTeX using libpoppler copyright and > the Lesser GNU General Public License. > For more information about these matters, see the file > named COPYING and the pdfTeX using libpoppler source. > Primary author of pdfTeX using libpoppler: Peter Breitenlohner (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). > Kpathsea written by Karl Berry, Olaf Weber, and others. > > Compiled with libpng 1.2.37; using libpng 1.2.37 > Compiled with zlib 1.2.3.3; using zlib 1.2.3.3 > Compiled with libpoppler version 0.12.0 > > Or did I misunderstand your remark? no, we probably just misunderstood each other. I had the impression that the compatibility question was raised because difficulties would possibly arise when using latex -> dvi, no matter which actual version is used. You are right, nowadays nearly everyone uses pdflatex for both latex -> dvi and latex -> pdf. Nevertheless, the very same program behaves differently depending on the mode. But if that wasn't your point, just forget about my remark. Ulf