From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Frascone Subject: Re: Time Stamps? Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87iq74yfng.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0104673666==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O919V-0002jr-6q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2010 15:18:01 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45637 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O919T-0002hi-9z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2010 15:18:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O919R-00045b-0O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2010 15:17:59 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]:35491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O919Q-00045Q-Jt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2010 15:17:56 -0400 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15so466103wwe.0 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:17:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87iq74yfng.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bernt Hansen Cc: emacs-orgmode --===============0104673666== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a09203115d10485b57303 --0016e65a09203115d10485b57303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote: > Hi David, > > Answers are inline. > > David Frascone writes: > > > I've been using a lot of the great info at this site > > (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions: > > > > When using timestamps, I like the time in there too. And, I like to > > stamp every entry, so my status looks nice. But, I'm having a couple > > of problems: > > > > 1. Can I make all timestamps put the time? In other words, can I > > make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c ! > > > > I use a key binding for this: f9-t which creates a timestamp like this > at point. [2010-05-03 Mon 14:52] The binding for that is documented at > http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21 > Duh. Sorry. I thought there would be a way to do it with just a command, and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with the func. Consider it stolen. I'm going to re-map something to it. I don't like using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook w/o a keyboard, I have to hit a Fn button to get those. But, I'll map it to something. I do like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or something like that. > > > 2. Where should I put the timestamp? Where do you guys think it > > looks best? Before the text? After? Still getting a feel for > > things. > > Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me. My remember > templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer > > * TODO blah > :CLOCK:... > [2010-05-03 Mon 14:59] > [[link to stuff]] > > but anywhere will work - it's just text. > Right. I understand where it gets put. But, now I want to add some notes. Where would you put it? (And, I know I'm just asking your opinion, because it is all just text -- I just really like your setup, so I'm using it as my starting point. So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled it, then re-edited it. Names have been changed to protect the guilty some_company.org: ----- * Title for issue customer is having ** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company - :PHONE:WAITING: - State "WAITING" from "" [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] \\ Waiting on data from Customer :CLOCK: :END: Got a call from Customer this am. He is having problems blah blah. Will call him back in 10-15 Contact Info: 800-555-5555 [2010-05-03 Mon] ** Talked to Customer again. [2010-05-03 Mon 11:19] Conclusion: Probable Diagnosis here. Customer is going to reboot and send me more data. *** System Information **** Some System 1 Gb Data File 60 Threads Other System Data **** Performance 9-20 Mb/Sec **** Configuration Raid 0 over 4 drives 16 Gb RAM Blah Blah **** Symptoms computer hangs. windows Explorer hangs trying to look at filesystem. ----- So, this was the result of two calls, captured with remember-phone, then re-filed into the some_company.org file. I put the datestamps up top, but I'm not sure if I like them there. What do you think of that setup? > > > > > 3. Clocking. That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it. But, > > I'm not sure how I should clock in in the AM. Almost always, I > > try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven't > > started a clock yet. I'm considering taking out the timing stuff > > now . . . any pointers? > > The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-o > or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on > which one I start first). From there remember tasks interrupt the clock > temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I > manually clock out. > > I will re-read the clocking portion . . I really like stamping EVERYTHING, so that I can generate weekly reports easily (This is where I wasted my time) I've also got to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen (annotated conference call notes). And, it'll be nice to backdate conference calls so that even if I dont' log them, I can log them later. I know I can . . it's just coming up with an easy way to do it. --0016e65a09203115d10485b57303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bernt Ha= nsen <bernt@norang.= ca> wrote:
Hi David,

Answers are inline.

David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes:

> I've been using a lot of the great info at this site
> (http= ://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html) , and I have some questions:
>
> When using timestamps, I like the time in there too.=A0 And, I like to=
> stamp every entry, so my status looks nice.=A0 But, I'm having a c= ouple
> of problems:
>
> =A01. Can I make all timestamps put the time?=A0 In other words,= can I
> =A0make C-c ! always do the same thing as C-u C-c !<= br> >

I use a key binding for this: =A0f9-t which creates a timestamp like = this
at point. =A0[2010-05-03 Mon 14:52] =A0The binding for that is documented a= t
= http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#sec-15_21

D= uh.=A0 Sorry.=A0 I thought there would be a way to do it with just a comman= d, and, at first glance, didn't grok what you were doing with the func.= =A0 Consider it stolen.=A0 I'm going to re-map something to it.=A0 I do= n't like using Function keys, because when I am using my macbook w/o a = keyboard, I have to hit a Fn button to get those.=A0 But, I'll map it t= o something.=A0 I do like your f9 map, so, maybe I'll use M-9 or someth= ing like that.

=A0

> =A02. Where should I put the timestamp?=A0 Where do you guys think it<= br>
> =A0looks best?=A0 Before the text?=A0 After?=A0 Stil= l getting a feel for
> =A0things.

Anywhere in the body of the text works fine for me. =A0My remember templates put the timestamp after the clock drawer

=A0* TODO blah
=A0:CLOCK:...
=A0[2010-05-03 Mon 14:59]
=A0[[link to stuff]]

but anywhere will work - it's just text.

Right= .=A0 I understand where it gets put.=A0 But, now I want to add some notes.= =A0 Where would you put it?=A0 (And, I know I'm just asking your opinio= n, because it is all just text -- I just really like your setup, so I'm= using it as my starting point.

So, for example, here's an entry I took today with a call, refiled = it, then re-edited it.=A0 Names have been changed to protect the guilty
=
some_company.org:
-----
*= Title for issue customer is having
** WAITING Phone %:name - %:Some Company -=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 :PHONE:WAITING:
=A0=A0 - State "W= AITING"=A0=A0=A0 from ""=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [2010= -05-03 Mon 11:19] \\
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Waiting on data from Customer
=A0= =A0 :CLOCK:
=A0=A0 :END:
=A0=A0 Got a call from Customer this am.=A0 He is having pr= oblems blah blah.
=A0=A0 Will call him back in 10-15
=A0=A0 Contact I= nfo: 800-555-5555
=A0=A0 [2010-05-03 Mon]
** Talked to Customer again= .
[2010-05-03 Mon 11:19]
Conclusion:=A0 Probable Diagnosis here.=A0 Customer is going to reboot and = send
me more data.
*** System Information
**** Some System
=A0= =A0=A0=A0 1 Gb Data File
=A0=A0=A0=A0 60 Threads
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Other S= ystem Data
**** Performance
=A0=A0=A0=A0 9-20 Mb/Sec
**** Configuration
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Raid 0 over= 4 drives
=A0=A0=A0=A0 16 Gb RAM
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Blah Blah
**** Sympt= oms
=A0=A0=A0=A0 computer hangs.=A0 windows Explorer hangs trying to loo= k at filesystem.
-----

So, this was the result of two calls, capt= ured with remember-phone, then re-filed into the some_company.org file.=A0 I put the datestamps up top, but I&= #39;m not sure if I like them there.
What do you think of that setup?=A0
=A0

>
> =A03. Clocking.=A0 That site does a lot of it, and I mostly like it.= =A0 But,
> =A0 =A0 I'm not sure how I should clock in in th= e AM.=A0 Almost always, I
> =A0 =A0 try to enter something quickly with remember, and I haven'= t
> =A0 =A0 started a clock yet.=A0 I'm considering taking out the tim= ing stuff
> =A0 =A0 now . . . any pointers?

The first thing I do when I clock-in in the morning is hit either f9-= o
or f9-m to clock in my organization or read mail task (depending on
which one I start first). =A0From there remember tasks interrupt the clock<= br> temporarily and clocking continues on whatever I work on until I
manually clock out.


I will re-read the clockin= g portion . . I really like stamping EVERYTHING, so that I can generate wee= kly reports easily (This is where I wasted my time)

I've also go= t to integrate, somehow, references to my livescribe pen (annotated confere= nce call notes).=A0 And, it'll be nice to backdate conference calls so = that even if I dont' log them, I can log them later.=A0 I know I can . = . it's just coming up with an easy way to do it.
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